Campbell will now stay away from Redskins Park

[Audi]

I think Jason Campbell was treated better than most quarterbacks.

He was provided in chronological order:

- A 1500 yard receiver. (Santana Moss)
- A 1500 yard runningback. (Clinton Portis)
- A stud tight end. (Chris Cooley)
- A HOF coach. (Joe Gibbs)
- A highly-regarded defensive coordinator. (Gregg Williams)
- A solid offensive line. (2006, 2007, 1/2 of 2008)
- Time on the bench to learn, instead of being thrown to the wolves.
- A highly-regarded offensive coordinator. (Al Saunders)
- He was designated as 3rd string his first two years but given the opportunity to leapfrog Todd Collins. (2006)
- A playoff team (2007).
- A good defense (2007, 2008, 2009).
- Unquestioned as starter (2007, 2008, 2009).
- A coach committed to Jason Campbell (Jim Zorn).

Please, can anyone name any other quarterback who lost as much as Jason Campbell in 52 starts that was treated better?

And obviously some people want to use the hiring of Al Saunders as some sort of obstacle in Jason Campbell's career, so why would anyone want to give him the benefit of the doubt with the hiring of the Shanahans?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Audi

I think Jason Campbell was treated better than most quarterbacks.

He was provided in chronological order:

- A 1500 yard receiver. (Santana Moss)
- A 1500 yard runningback. (Clinton Portis)
- A stud tight end. (Chris Cooley)
- A HOF coach. (Joe Gibbs)
- A highly-regarded defensive coordinator. (Gregg Williams)
- A solid offensive line. (2006, 2007, 1/2 of 2008)
- Time on the bench to learn, instead of being thrown to the wolves.
- A highly-regarded offensive coordinator. (Al Saunders)
- He was designated as 3rd string his first two years but given the opportunity to leapfrog Todd Collins. (2006)
- A playoff team (2007).
- A good defense (2007, 2008, 2009).
- Unquestioned as starter (2007, 2008, 2009).
- A coach committed to Jason Campbell (Jim Zorn).

Please, can anyone name any other quarterback who lost as much as Jason Campbell in 52 starts that was treated better?

And obviously some people want to use the hiring of Al Saunders as some sort of obstacle in Jason Campbell's career, so why would anyone want to give him the benefit of the doubt with the hiring of the Shanahans?

When you put it like that . . . no tears for Soup.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Audi

I think Jason Campbell was treated better than most quarterbacks.

He was provided in chronological order:

- A 1500 yard receiver. (Santana Moss)
- A 1500 yard runningback. (Clinton Portis)
- A stud tight end. (Chris Cooley)
- A HOF coach. (Joe Gibbs)
- A highly-regarded defensive coordinator. (Gregg Williams)
- A solid offensive line. (2006, 2007, 1/2 of 2008)
- Time on the bench to learn, instead of being thrown to the wolves.
- A highly-regarded offensive coordinator. (Al Saunders)
- He was designated as 3rd string his first two years but given the opportunity to leapfrog Todd Collins. (2006)
- A playoff team (2007).
- A good defense (2007, 2008, 2009).
- Unquestioned as starter (2007, 2008, 2009).
- A coach committed to Jason Campbell (Jim Zorn).

Please, can anyone name any other quarterback who lost as much as Jason Campbell in 52 starts that was treated better?

And obviously some people want to use the hiring of Al Saunders as some sort of obstacle in Jason Campbell's career, so why would anyone want to give him the benefit of the doubt with the hiring of the Shanahans?

What Jason & the Redskins didn't have prior to this year is organizational stability without that everything else is irrelevant.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

What Jason & the Redskins didn't have prior to this year is organizational stability without that everything else is irrelevant.

What is organizational stability? What if Donovan McNabb or any other Redskins quarterback goes 6-10 (to approximately tie Campbell's .385 winning percentage) or better on a completely new Redskins team?

Why would Donovan McNabb or Rex Grossman or Colt Brennan be able to match Jason Campbell despite the lack of organizational stability?

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Audi

What is organizational stability? What if Donovan McNabb or any other Redskins quarterback goes 6-10 (to approximately tie Campbell's .385 winning percentage) or better on a completely new Redskins team?

Why would Donovan McNabb or Rex Grossman or Colt Brennan be able to match Jason Campbell despite the lack of organizational stability?

An unorganized franchise like the Redskins prior to this year

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

An unorganized franchise like the Redskins prior to this year

Can you actually state the difference between this year and prior years?

This year is a new year with a brand new system and new coaches, something that Jason Campbell is adverse to. Since he's demonstrated that he's going to use anything new as an excuse, it makes much more sense to find a quarterback who will use something new as an opportunity.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Audi

I think Jason Campbell was treated better than most quarterbacks.

He was provided in chronological order:

- A 1500 yard receiver. (Santana Moss)
- A 1500 yard runningback. (Clinton Portis)
- A stud tight end. (Chris Cooley)
- A HOF coach. (Joe Gibbs)
- A highly-regarded defensive coordinator. (Gregg Williams)
- A solid offensive line. (2006, 2007, 1/2 of 2008)
- Time on the bench to learn, instead of being thrown to the wolves.
- A highly-regarded offensive coordinator. (Al Saunders)
- He was designated as 3rd string his first two years but given the opportunity to leapfrog Todd Collins. (2006)
- A playoff team (2007).
- A good defense (2007, 2008, 2009).
- Unquestioned as starter (2007, 2008, 2009).
- A coach committed to Jason Campbell (Jim Zorn).

Please, can anyone name any other quarterback who lost as much as Jason Campbell in 52 starts that was treated better?

And obviously some people want to use the hiring of Al Saunders as some sort of obstacle in Jason Campbell's career, so why would anyone want to give him the benefit of the doubt with the hiring of the Shanahans?

Let's go back to your list that you composed of what Jason had. I simply said that was irrelevant because of lack of organizational stability. If Vinny & Danny pulled this deal off with McNabb it would be a big disappointment not once since now has Danny had any sense of direction. Allen/Shanny are football minds won Super Bowls they know how to get back there. Danny's only sense of direction was to buy a championship. So if your list of super tools that JC had at his disposal was so relevant explain why Danny doesn't any Super Bowls Titles under his era as owner the past 10 years? It doesn't work that way they were plenty of pieces there that was true, plenty of individual accomplishments but together they sucked as a team from lack of leadership & direction from the owner down to the head coach

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Let's go back to your list that you composed of what Jason had. I simply said that was irrelevant because of lack of organizational stability. If Vinny & Danny pulled this deal off with McNabb it would be a big disappointment not once since now has Danny had any sense of direction. Allen/Shanny are football minds won Super Bowls they know how to get back there. Danny's only sense of direction was to buy a championship. So if your list of super tools that JC had at his disposal was so relevant explain why Danny doesn't any Super Bowls Titles under his era as owner the past 10 years? It doesn't work that way they were plenty of pieces there that was true, plenty of individual accomplishments but together they sucked as a team from lack of leadership & direction from the owner down to the head coach

If what you're saying is true, then how did the team make the playoffs in 2005 and 2007? No, they did not make the Super Bowl, but they also did not have as horrible a record as with Jason Campbell.

Also, I don't understand how it's the organization's fault when Jason Campbell misses simple reads that have been highlighted ad nauseum. Did Campbell drop back and start thinking about "organizational instability" when Santana Moss or Malcolm Kelly broke wide open?

Was Campbell thinking about "organizational instability" when he forgot the down and distance and decided to check it to a run play to Betts on 3rd and long?

Was Campbell thinking about "organizational instability" when he ran past the line of scrimmage and threw an interception?

I don't think so.

[tryfuhl]

pulled a JC and misread

nvm

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Audi

If what you're saying is true, then how did the team make the playoffs in 2005 and 2007? No, they did not make the Super Bowl, but they also did not have as horrible a record as with Jason Campbell.

Also, I don't understand how it's the organization's fault when Jason Campbell misses simple reads that have been highlighted ad nauseum. Did Campbell drop back and start thinking about "organizational instability" when Santana Moss or Malcolm Kelly broke wide open?

Was Campbell thinking about "organizational instability" when he forgot the down and distance and decided to check it to a run play to Betts on 3rd and long?

Was Campbell thinking about "organizational instability" when he ran past the line of scrimmage and threw an interception?

I don't think so.

Crap, you know what those two points made me ask myself:

Did someone tell Donovan about the new OT rules? Damn I hope he knows we need a TD on the first possession!(in post season)

[Audi]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Crap, you know what those two points made me ask myself:

Did someone tell Donovan about the new OT rules? Damn I hope he knows we need a TD on the first possession!(in post season)

It's okay. We can blame it on "organizational instability".

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Audi

If what you're saying is true, then how did the team make the playoffs in 2005 and 2007? No, they did not make the Super Bowl, but they also did not have as horrible a record as with Jason Campbell.

Also, I don't understand how it's the organization's fault when Jason Campbell misses simple reads that have been highlighted ad nauseum. Did Campbell drop back and start thinking about "organizational instability" when Santana Moss or Malcolm Kelly broke wide open?

Was Campbell thinking about "organizational instability" when he forgot the down and distance and decided to check it to a run play to Betts on 3rd and long?

Was Campbell thinking about "organizational instability" when he ran past the line of scrimmage and threw an interception?

I don't think so.

Ok, what you posted about him missing read and stuff is once again irrelevant to the fact JC didn't lose 12 games by himself either. So when you pick out certain plays out the season as note the Landry double move against the Saints was on JC, Kareem Moore Int- Td error was on JC, Sellers fumble was on JC as well. It's not hard to pick out bad plays everyone had them.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Ok, what you posted about him missing read and stuff is once again irrelevant to the fact JC didn't lose 12 games by himself either. So when you pick out certain plays out the season as note the Landry double move against the Saints was on JC, Kareem Moore Int- Td error was on JC, Sellers fumble was on JC as well. It's not hard to pick out bad plays everyone had them.

No, but Jason Campbell is not the only reason they lose games, but he is a huge part of them. The bane of this team has been the offense, and the bane of the offense has been the passing game, and the bane of the passing game has been Jason Campbell.

Isn't it funny how Chris Cooley, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, and Clinton Portis have all succeeded in various situations with various quarterbacks and various coaches, yet when it's with Jason Campbell, they are just not good enough.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Audi

Isn't it funny how Chris Cooley, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, and Clinton Portis have all succeeded in various situations with various quarterbacks and various coaches, yet when it's with Jason Campbell, they are just not good enough.

Cooley has truly proven that he can succeed with anyone. At one point (2005) Moss was that type of player but has since gone back to the "I'm good but need a really good QB to show that" category. Samuels impact on the team isn't very dependent on who plays QB. Portis is getting close to the end but should be better in a stable.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Slingin' Sammy 33 is the best on this site, the best...and don't sleep on 30 Gut

Now that you mention it I did see a lot of back and fourth between Tripp and Sammy during the first McNabb thread.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Audi

If what you're saying is true, then how did the team make the playoffs in 2005 and 2007? No, they did not make the Super Bowl, but they also did not have as horrible a record as with Jason Campbell.

They had superb QB play both playoff seasons. In 2005, Mark Brunell, who took over for an injured Patrick Ramsey on opening day, played lights out as did the whole team. MB's stats: 3,050 yards, 23 TD's, 10 INT's...career year for him.

In 2007, Todd Collins won 4 games in a row, beating the cowboys to sneak into the playoffs at 9 and 7. Collins that season had the #2 passer ranking behind only Tom Brady.

With JC we were not getting superb QB play. We were getting barely mediocre play, and that is why the other two guys (Brunell, Collins), were able to do so much more with essentially the same talent...