New possible trade/draft scenarios

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I think that Shanahan would be taking a huge risk if he dumped the big guy now. First of all, a coach who is making 7.5 million should be able to manage a situation like this.

I don't care who you are, an owner's eybrow or two is going to be raised if within 3 weeks of paying a guy 21 million dollars you dump him. Especially a player as talented as AH who will go to another team and make them better.

I hear all the jokes but no one can deny that when that guy is on the field he is a dominating force.

Yeah, but it wasn't Shanahan/Allen that gave AH that ridiculous contract. That's all on Snyder and Cerrato. Danny gave Mike and Bruce the keys and said do what you have to do.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, but it wasn't Shanahan/Allen that gave AH that ridiculous contract. That's all on Snyder and Cerrato. Danny gave Mike and Bruce the keys and said do what you have to do.

True but Dan Snyder didn't get where he was by pissing away 21 million periodically.

This is the type of decision where DS would have some input, and frankly, I think you could argue that he might deserve the final call on it.

BA and MS are being paid a lot of money, I do not think that asking them to manage a highly talented problem child is out of line.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

True but Dan Snyder didn't get where he was by pissing away 21 million periodically.

This is the type of decision where DS would have some input, and frankly, I think you could argue that he might deserve the final call on it.

BA and MS are being paid a lot of money, I do not think that asking them to manage a highly talented problem child is out of line.

I get your point to a degree, however the reason Snyder hired Allen and Shanahan was to turn around the awful missteps of the past decade. If they view AH as one of those missteps, then Snyder should lie in the bed he made. Of course Danny does own the team so he certainly could step in and have final say, but then the obvious question becomes, how is this any different than the past?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I get your point to a degree, however the reason Snyder hired Allen and Shanahan was to turn around the awful missteps of the past decade. If they view AH as one of those missteps, then Snyder should lie in the bed he made. Of course Danny does own the team so he certainly could step in and have final say, but then the obvious question becomes, how is this any different than the past?

I think the $ involved make this a special circumstance.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I get your point to a degree, however the reason Snyder hired Allen and Shanahan was to turn around the awful missteps of the past decade. If they view AH as one of those missteps, then Snyder should lie in the bed he made. Of course Danny does own the team so he certainly could step in and have final say, but then the obvious question becomes, how is this any different than the past?

I get what you are saying here, but also...

I would have hope that we also hired a coach that can make best use of his players and not try to play them out of position (like playing Orakpo as a 4-3 LB or Landry as a FS). While a player shouldn't be telling a coach what to do, Haynesworth is right, he will be more effective as a 3-4 DE than a NT. Now, Haynesworth still has said that he'll play NT if asked to do so, therefore I don't know why Shanahan should feel that Haynesworth needs to be traded (unless you get a monster deal for him) or why he should feel that Haynesworth is a misstep.

I would lose a little bit of faith in our FO if they tell me that they traded AH just because he didn't want to play a position where he would have been less effective. This is the reason why I feel a lot of people here who criticize AH quickly forget how much they have complained about this team's terrible habit of having players out of position and not using their players to best of their ability.

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

People aren't banging down our door for AH. We are trying to get rid of him in a limited time frame.

Looking to fufill a need in a short time frame = desperation

Which I really don't think our FO needs to be putting themselves in this situation.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I get what you are saying here, but also...

I would have hope that we also hired a coach that can make best use of his players and not try to play them out of position (like playing Orakpo as a 4-3 LB or Landry as a FS). While a player shouldn't be telling a coach what to do, Haynesworth is right, he will be more effective as a 3-4 DE than a NT. Now, Haynesworth still has said that he'll play NT if asked to do so, therefore I don't know why Shanahan should feel that Haynesworth needs to be traded (unless you get a monster deal for him) or why he should feel that Haynesworth is a misstep.

I would lose a little bit of faith in our FO if they tell me that they traded AH just because he didn't want to play a position where he would have been less effective. This is the reason why I feel a lot of people here who criticize AH quickly forget how much they have complained about this team's terrible habit of having players out of position and not using their players to best of their ability.

Fair points. You reinforce how dicey of a situation this is.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I get what you are saying here, but also...

I would have hope that we also hired a coach that can make best use of his players and not try to play them out of position (like playing Orakpo as a 4-3 LB or Landry as a FS). While a player shouldn't be telling a coach what to do, Haynesworth is right, he will be more effective as a 3-4 DE than a NT. Now, Haynesworth still has said that he'll play NT if asked to do so, therefore I don't know why Shanahan should feel that Haynesworth needs to be traded (unless you get a monster deal for him) or why he should feel that Haynesworth is a misstep.

I would lose a little bit of faith in our FO if they tell me that they traded AH just because he didn't want to play a position where he would have been less effective. This is the reason why I feel a lot of people here who criticize AH quickly forget how much they have complained about this team's terrible habit of having players out of position and not using their players to best of their ability.

this.. I agree