Different Season, Same Trap

[44ever]

Originally Posted by horse

Remember this team lost like 6 gms or something by like 6 pts or less, this could be a quick turnaround and all the most consistently good team usually have a solid QB and this is our first one since brad johnson, Mcnabb is coming off a probowl year so damn right I'm excited!

I wouldn't bet our future success based of close games played. Close games are nothing new for the Redskins. In fact if it were a indicator of getting closer to a winning season then we would have won a long time ago.

Since our SB days, We've become a team that plays up to but just under our opponents ability.

Take a look at this, I think you'll be suprised by just how many games were decided by 7 points or less. You decide.

Out of the 112 Games we played between 2000 and 2007, approx. 70 games were decided by 7 points or less. Thats nearly 70%.

Opponent........................Date.............W/L...Score.......Point/Diff
Carolina Panthers.............9/3/2000.......Win 20 - 17.....3
Detroit Lions....................9/10/2000.... Loss 10 - 15.....5
Dallas Cowboys................9/18/2000.... Loss 21 - 27.....6
Tampa Bay Buccaneers .....10/1/2000.... Win 20 - 17.....3
Philadelphia Eagles...........10/8/2000..... Win 17 - 14.....3
Baltimore Ravens.............10/15/2000.... Win 10 - 3.......7
Tennessee Titans .............10/30/2000....Loss 21 - 27.....6
Arizona Cardinals..............11/5/2000.....Loss 15 - 16.....1
Philadelphia Eagles...........11/26/2000.... Loss 20 - 23.....3
New York Giants..............12/3/2000.......Loss 7 - 9........2
Dallas Cowboys...............10/15/2001.....Loss 7 - 9........2
Carolina Panthers ............10/21/2001.... Win 17 - 14.....3
Denver Broncos...............11/18/2001.... Win 17 - 10.....7
Dallas Cowboys...............12/2/2001.......Loss 14 - 20.....6
Chicago Bears.................12/23/2001.... Loss 15 - 20.....5
Arizona Cardinals ............1/6/2002........Win 20 - 17.....3
Indianapolis Colts ............10/27/2002.....Win 26 - 21.....5
New York Giants..............11/17/2002.....Loss 17 - 19.....3
St. Louis Rams................11/24/2002.....Win 20 - 17.....3
Dallas Cowboys...............11/28/2002.....Loss 20 - 27.....7
New York Giants..............12/8/2002......Loss 21 - 27.....6
Dallas Cowboys...............12/29/2002....Win 20 - 14.....6
New York Jets.................9/4/2003.......Win 16 - 13.....3
Atlanta Falcons................9/14/2003.....Win 33 - 31.....2
New York Giants..............9/21/2003.....Loss 21 - 24.....3
New England Patriots.......9/28/2003......Win 20 - 17.....3
Philadelphia Eagles..........10/5/2003......Loss 25 - 27.....2
Dallas Cowboys..............11/2/2003.......Loss 14 - 21.....7
Seattle Seahawks ............11/9/2003......Win 27 - 20.....7
Carolina Panthers............11/16/2003.....Loss 17 - 20....3
Miami Dolphins...............11/23/2003.....Loss 23 - 24....1
New Orleans Saints.........11/30/2003.....Loss 20 - 24....4
Chicago Bears................12/21/2003.....Loss 24 - 27.....3
Tampa Bay Buccaneers ...9/12/2004.......Win 16 - 10.....6
New York Giants............9/19/2004........Loss 14 - 20.....6
Dallas Cowboys.............9/27/2004........Loss 17 - 21.....4
Cleveland Browns ..........10/3/2004........Loss 17 - 13....4
Baltimore Ravens ...........10/10/2004......Loss 10 - 17....7
Chicago Bears...............10/17/2004.......Win 13 - 10....3
Detroit Lions.................11/7/2004........Win 17 - 10.....7
Cincinnati Bengals..........11/14/2004......Loss 10 - 17....7
Philadelphia Eagles........12/12/2004.......Loss 14 - 17....3
Dallas Cowboys.............12/26/2004.......Loss 10 - 13....3
Minnesota Vikings..........1/2/2005..........Win 21 - 18....3
Chicago Bears...............9/11/2005 ........Win 9 - 7.......2
Dallas Cowboys.............9/19/2005........ Win 14 - 13.....1
Seattle Seahawks ..........10/2/2005........ Win 20 - 17.....3
Denver Broncos.............10/9/2005 ........Loss 19 - 21.....2
Kansas City Chiefs.........10/16/2005.......Loss 21 - 28.....7
Philadelphia Eagles........11/6/2005........ Win 17 - 10.....7
Tampa Bay Buccaneers..11/13/2005........Loss 35 - 36.....1
Oakland Raiders...........11/20/2005........Loss 13 - 16.....1
San Diego Chargers......11/27/2005 ........Loss 17 - 23.....6
Arizona Cardinals .........12/11/2005........Win 17 - 13.....4
Jacksonville Jaguars.......10/1/2006 ........Win 36 - 30.....6
Tennessee Titans...........10/15/2006.......Loss 22 - 25.....3
Dallas Cowboys.............11/5/2006 ........Win 22 - 19.....3
Tampa Bay Buccaneers...11/19/2006......Loss 17 - 20.....3
Carolina Panthers ..........11/26/2006......Win 17 - 13.....4
Philadelphia Eagles.........12/10/2006......Loss 19 - 21.....2
New Orleans Saints.........12/17/2006.....Win 16 - 10.....6
St. Louis Rams...............12/24/2006.....Loss 31 - 37.....6
New York Giants.............12/30/2006.....Loss 28 - 34.....6
Miami Dolphins...............9/9/2007 .......Win 16 - 13.....3
New York Giants.............9/23/2007......Loss 17 - 24.....7
Green Bay Packers..........10/14/2007....Loss 14 - 17.....3
Arizona Cardinals............10/21/2007.....Win 21 - 19.....2
New York Jets................11/4/2007.......Win 23 - 20.....3
Dallas Cowboys..............11/18/2007......Loss 23 - 28.....5
Tampa Bay Buccaneers....11/25/2007......Loss 13 - 19.....5
Buffalo Bills,..................12/2/2007........Loss 16 - 17.....1

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[RememberRFK]

So, you are saying because of THOSE statistics, we can expect more of the same?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by RememberRFK

So, you are saying because of THOSE statistics, we can expect more of the same?

No, not at all. I'm saying solely based on those numbers, nothing can be predicted. I'm also excited about the new season. But it has NOTHING to do with the past. That would be my point if I was trying to make one.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by RememberRFK

So, you are saying because of THOSE statistics, we can expect more of the same?

If anything, because of those stats, the major upgrade in front office, coaching and QB (and hopefully O-line) should make it very easy to become an elite NFL team quickly.

Zorn wasn't exactly great late in games. (cue the swinging gate play clip)

Even before him, name a Redskins QB since 2000 as capable as McNabb. Yes, even I can concede Campbell is not as good.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by 44ever

I wouldn't bet our future success based of close games played. Close games are nothing new for the Redskins. In fact if it were a indicator of getting closer to a winning season then we would have won a long time ago.

Since our SB days, We've become a team that plays up to but just under our opponents ability.

Take a look at this, I think you'll be suprised by just how many games were decided by 7 points or less. You decide.

Out of the 112 Games we played between 2000 and 2007, approx. 70 games were decided by 7 points or less. Thats nearly 70%.

Opponent........................Date.............W/L...Score.......Point/Diff
Carolina Panthers.............9/3/2000.......Win 20 - 17.....3
Detroit Lions....................9/10/2000.... Loss 10 - 15.....5
Dallas Cowboys................9/18/2000.... Loss 21 - 27.....6
Tampa Bay Buccaneers .....10/1/2000.... Win 20 - 17.....3
Philadelphia Eagles...........10/8/2000..... Win 17 - 14.....3
Baltimore Ravens.............10/15/2000.... Win 10 - 3.......7
Tennessee Titans .............10/30/2000....Loss 21 - 27.....6
Arizona Cardinals..............11/5/2000.....Loss 15 - 16.....1
Philadelphia Eagles...........11/26/2000.... Loss 20 - 23.....3
New York Giants..............12/3/2000.......Loss 7 - 9........2
Dallas Cowboys...............10/15/2001.....Loss 7 - 9........2
Carolina Panthers ............10/21/2001.... Win 17 - 14.....3
Denver Broncos...............11/18/2001.... Win 17 - 10.....7
Dallas Cowboys...............12/2/2001.......Loss 14 - 20.....6
Chicago Bears.................12/23/2001.... Loss 15 - 20.....5
Arizona Cardinals ............1/6/2002........Win 20 - 17.....3
Indianapolis Colts ............10/27/2002.....Win 26 - 21.....5
New York Giants..............11/17/2002.....Loss 17 - 19.....3
St. Louis Rams................11/24/2002.....Win 20 - 17.....3
Dallas Cowboys...............11/28/2002.....Loss 20 - 27.....7
New York Giants..............12/8/2002......Loss 21 - 27.....6
Dallas Cowboys...............12/29/2002....Win 20 - 14.....6
New York Jets.................9/4/2003.......Win 16 - 13.....3
Atlanta Falcons................9/14/2003.....Win 33 - 31.....2
New York Giants..............9/21/2003.....Loss 21 - 24.....3
New England Patriots.......9/28/2003......Win 20 - 17.....3
Philadelphia Eagles..........10/5/2003......Loss 25 - 27.....2
Dallas Cowboys..............11/2/2003.......Loss 14 - 21.....7
Seattle Seahawks ............11/9/2003......Win 27 - 20.....7
Carolina Panthers............11/16/2003.....Loss 17 - 20....3
Miami Dolphins...............11/23/2003.....Loss 23 - 24....1
New Orleans Saints.........11/30/2003.....Loss 20 - 24....4
Chicago Bears................12/21/2003.....Loss 24 - 27.....3
Tampa Bay Buccaneers ...9/12/2004.......Win 16 - 10.....6
New York Giants............9/19/2004........Loss 14 - 20.....6
Dallas Cowboys.............9/27/2004........Loss 17 - 21.....4
Cleveland Browns ..........10/3/2004........Loss 17 - 13....4
Baltimore Ravens ...........10/10/2004......Loss 10 - 17....7
Chicago Bears...............10/17/2004.......Win 13 - 10....3
Detroit Lions.................11/7/2004........Win 17 - 10.....7
Cincinnati Bengals..........11/14/2004......Loss 10 - 17....7
Philadelphia Eagles........12/12/2004.......Loss 14 - 17....3
Dallas Cowboys.............12/26/2004.......Loss 10 - 13....3
Minnesota Vikings..........1/2/2005..........Win 21 - 18....3
Chicago Bears...............9/11/2005 ........Win 9 - 7.......2
Dallas Cowboys.............9/19/2005........ Win 14 - 13.....1
Seattle Seahawks ..........10/2/2005........ Win 20 - 17.....3
Denver Broncos.............10/9/2005 ........Loss 19 - 21.....2
Kansas City Chiefs.........10/16/2005.......Loss 21 - 28.....7
Philadelphia Eagles........11/6/2005........ Win 17 - 10.....7
Tampa Bay Buccaneers..11/13/2005........Loss 35 - 36.....1
Oakland Raiders...........11/20/2005........Loss 13 - 16.....1
San Diego Chargers......11/27/2005 ........Loss 17 - 23.....6
Arizona Cardinals .........12/11/2005........Win 17 - 13.....4
Jacksonville Jaguars.......10/1/2006 ........Win 36 - 30.....6
Tennessee Titans...........10/15/2006.......Loss 22 - 25.....3
Dallas Cowboys.............11/5/2006 ........Win 22 - 19.....3
Tampa Bay Buccaneers...11/19/2006......Loss 17 - 20.....3
Carolina Panthers ..........11/26/2006......Win 17 - 13.....4
Philadelphia Eagles.........12/10/2006......Loss 19 - 21.....2
New Orleans Saints.........12/17/2006.....Win 16 - 10.....6
St. Louis Rams...............12/24/2006.....Loss 31 - 37.....6
New York Giants.............12/30/2006.....Loss 28 - 34.....6
Miami Dolphins...............9/9/2007 .......Win 16 - 13.....3
New York Giants.............9/23/2007......Loss 17 - 24.....7
Green Bay Packers..........10/14/2007....Loss 14 - 17.....3
Arizona Cardinals............10/21/2007.....Win 21 - 19.....2
New York Jets................11/4/2007.......Win 23 - 20.....3
Dallas Cowboys..............11/18/2007......Loss 23 - 28.....5
Tampa Bay Buccaneers....11/25/2007......Loss 13 - 19.....5
Buffalo Bills,..................12/2/2007........Loss 16 - 17.....1

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My research is ashamed to be in the same thread as your research. Nicely done.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My research is ashamed to be in the same thread as your research. Nicely done.

Thanks for the kind complement Paintrain. But, I believe your posts are much more intelligent and informative.