Campbell A Raider

[MTK]

I'm just glad the saga is over so everyone can move on.

[MTK]

Busts are guys that can't play. JC can play.

What the Skins gave up to draft him really doesn't define him as a bust or not.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Busts are guys that can't play. JC can play.

What the Skins gave up to draft him really doesn't define him as a bust or not.

Sort of. There are certainly different levels of bust. We gave up three picks, and drafted him in the first round. He did absolutely NOTHING for us (disagree...how's a 4 win season feel?). We traded him for a 4th round pick in 2012 which may not even happen if a CBA is not reached. Due to the fact that he bamboozled a lot of people to thinking he had top notch talent, he was a bust for us. Just a minor one.

So let me ask you this, if he plays for the raiders and pulls a Russell and throws for 4ish tds and 10ints and loses his job never to regain it, I would certainly label him as a full blown bust. That is more likely than him all of sudden "getting it" and lifting the raiders to respectable levels.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Sort of. There are certainly different levels of bust. We gave up three picks, and drafted him in the first round. He did absolutely NOTHING for us (disagree...how's a 4 win season feel?). We traded him for a 4th round pick in 2012 which may not even happen if a CBA is not reached. Due to the fact that he bamboozled a lot of people to thinking he had top notch talent, he was a bust for us. Just a minor one.

So let me ask you this, if he plays for the raiders and pulls a Russell and throws for 4ish tds and 10ints and loses his job never to regain it, I would certainly label him as a full blown bust. That is more likely than him all of sudden "getting it" and lifting the raiders to respectable levels.

There are not different levels of busts. A bust is a guy who can not play.

Making up future scenarios that have no chance of happening doesn't make us look at the last three years in a different light, it just makes you look really, really bitter.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There are not different levels of busts.

You are wrong sir. This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

A bust is a guy who can not play.

Explain, "can not play". Ryan Leaf, "played", just played poorly. Clearly he was a mega bust. Jason Campbell played poorly for us for the most part, i'd label that a bust considering where he came from trading up to get him in the first round. If you sign a QB from the undrafted free agent list and he doesn't perform, is he a "bust"? No. But if you sign a first rounder and he doesn't perform then he is certainly a bust (see Shuler). Campbell did not perform to first round potential, that makes him a bust, albeit a small one.

Making up future scenarios that have no chance of happening doesn't make us look at the last three years in a different light, it just makes you look really, really bitter.

Wrong again sir, I was just pointing out how people will view him. FYI, it's been 4 years with Campbell. He can lose the bust status if he performs well with the raiders, I just doubt it will happen since his supporting cast sucks over there. That was the point.
ps, He was a first round draft pick and was 20-32 over the 4 years, and now he's gone. Right now, he is a bust, he at least has the opportunity to get himself off the bust list.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

it just makes you look really, really bitter.

To be honest, I am bitter, but not at Campbell...I didn't really think he was going to lead us anywhere, and he didn't. I saw him for what he was, a second stringer. I didn't agree with trading up to get him either, but trusted in Gibbs. I am bitter at Snyder and Cerrato as well as the jokes they hired like Zorn. We are a classy orginization and we have one of the most loyal fan bases in the world, and we are not being provided with a winning orginization, and we have been more than patient.
I can only hope the signing of Allen and Shanny will turn this around. If only Snyder stays away.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There are not different levels of busts. A bust is a guy who can not play.

Agreed 110%.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed 110%.

Clearly you missed this:
This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

You don't have to change your mind, cause you can believe what you want, but what explanation do you have for rankings of busts over the years if there are no levels of busts?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Sort of. There are certainly different levels of bust. We gave up three picks, and drafted him in the first round. He did absolutely NOTHING for us (disagree...how's a 4 win season feel?). We traded him for a 4th round pick in 2012 which may not even happen if a CBA is not reached. Due to the fact that he bamboozled a lot of people to thinking he had top notch talent, he was a bust for us. Just a minor one.

So let me ask you this, if he plays for the raiders and pulls a Russell and throws for 4ish tds and 10ints and loses his job never to regain it, I would certainly label him as a full blown bust. That is more likely than him all of sudden "getting it" and lifting the raiders to respectable levels.

To call JC " a bust" is just ridiculous. I would say he didn't live up to expectations. But JC is a starting QB in the NFL. Is he a top one? No. A bust IMO is Jamarcus Russell, Heath Shuler, Cade McNown, Rick Mirer, David Klingler, Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf. Those guys simply can not or couldn't play in the NFL.

[skinsfan_nn]

Cutting JaMarcus would save $6.45 million
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 25, 2010 12:03 PM ET
The Oakland Raiders have already paid JaMarcus Russell $36 million for a whole lot of nothing.

So do they now view him as a sunk cost or could they possibly pour more money down the drain? The Raiders can save $6.45 million by cutting Russell before the start of the season.

Russell has said in the past he won't take a pay cut, and that's far too much money to pay for a guy if he's Jason Campbell's backup. Tom Cable said there are "decisions" to be made at quarterback, but expects Russell to attend Oakland's post-draft minicamp Friday.

We'll see.

The Raiders would be risking the $6.45 million by keeping Russell in the offseason. They would owe him the money if he got hurt in workouts and placed on injured reserve.

The San Francisco Chronicle believes Cable hinted at Russell's departure:

"Adding Jason [Campbell] to this football team was very important," Cable said. "He is a guy in need of a fresh start himself."

The Raiders are an organization in need of fresh start. That can only happen with Russell elsewhere.

[GMScud]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jamarcus Russell is finished. What a waste of a gigantic arm. He's fat and lazy. An example of a guy who just wanted to get paid.

Once he gets cut, he'll probably balloon to 350lbs and fade into oblivion. I can't stand guys like him.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jamarcus Russell is finished. What a waste of a gigantic arm. He's fat and lazy. An example of a guy who just wanted to get paid.

Once he gets cut, he'll probably balloon to 350lbs and fade into oblivion. I can't stand guys like him.

Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.

This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.

This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure.

Russell is definately a massive bust at this point, but you never know, he could get out from under the dysfunctional raiders thumb and do something somewhere else. He needed to be tutored and he was thrown in to the wolves. He needs to simmer on someone's bench for a year or two, then maybe he could resurface somewhere and do something. Of course, this is unlikely, but just saying.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.

This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure.

there has been a dire need for a rookie wage scale for a long time now. there is no way anyone should receive anything more than 5 mil guaranteed without playing a down of nfl football.

as for contracts like fat al's that's just piss poor management right there

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

there has been a dire need for a rookie wage scale for a long time now. there is no way anyone should receive anything more than 5 mil guaranteed without playing a down of nfl football.

as for contracts like fat al's that's just piss poor management right there

I agree. I mean, Sam Bradford is going to get around $50M in guarantees before he ever lines up under center for the Rams. I think it's unfair for these high dollar rookies to eat up that much cash at the expense of proven vets who have already shed plenty of blood for their team(s).

Also, a lot of these kids who just became overnight millionares are pretty immature. Giving them all that cash increases the chances that they'll get lazy or screw up. Make them earn some of it before you give them 8 figures of guaranteed $.