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[MTK]

Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.

Agreed. Not meeting expectations does not equate to bust. Vernon Gholston is a good example of a bust in recent years. 6th overall pick, and can't even get on the field.

As someone mentioned earlier- Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Williams (USC WR), Charles Rogers- these are guys that are busts. College studs drafted very high who amounted to diddly poo in the NFL.

If a bust is a 1st round pick that is a starter in the NFL but not a star... well, then the NFL is full of starting players that are busts. Not the case IMO.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.

I agree with you about the high expectations, and if someone doesn't meet those expectations, that's when they become a bust. We like to talk about the "epic failures" that become busts, and often those big names are the ones synonomous with bust, but that doesn't mean that only the extremely epic failures are the only busts. Campbell was a bust for us, and he will likely suck in Oakland (due to poor leadership in that orginization and no help from players) meaning he will solidify himself as a bust.
Look at Roy Williams, he has played 25 games for the Cowboys, and has had only 57 receptions for 794 yards during those games. He was a Pro Bowler for the Lions, and played extremely well for them. So why is it Roy Williams is now a bust for the Cowboys?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I agree with you about the high expectations, and if someone doesn't meet those expectations, that's when they become a bust. We like to talk about the "epic failures" that become busts, and often those big names are the ones synonomous with bust, but that doesn't mean that only the extremely epic failures are the only busts. Campbell was a bust for us, and he will likely suck in Oakland (due to poor leadership in that orginization and no help from players) meaning he will solidify himself as a bust.
Look at Roy Williams, he has played 25 games for the Cowboys, and has had only 57 receptions for 794 yards during those games. He was a Pro Bowler for the Lions, and played extremely well for them. So why is it Roy Williams is now a bust for the Cowboys?

By your definition, Roy Williams never won games with the Lions, so there should be no relative considerations, he was a bust when he was acquired by the Cowboys, and he's done nothing to change his plight there.

By the definitions of others, Williams has been a bust for the Cowboys because he was acquired from the Lions for a hefty price and with great expectations, and hasn't offered them acceptable production for their investment. I don't think too many people would actually propose that Williams isn't an NFL caliber player, but given that he was no great shakes for the Lions, the price that Dallas payed to get him looks obscene by comparison.

It's true that Roy Williams didn't offer quite the production that Detroit was hoping to get from a top ten pick, but he was able to play like a professional for four seasons there. Therefore, poor value, though clearly not a bust. Dallas wasn't looking for a professional in 2008, they were paying to get a developed no. 1 receiver, which there was little reason to think Williams would be.