Arizona's New Immigration Law

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

again, seems to be okay on Wall Street where it's back to shady business as usual.

i realize we're mixing subjects here, but not really. it seems most people want to claim that they understand immigrants wanting to better their lives and it has nothing to do with racism or class warfare, just the fact that by doing it illegally, they are "draining the system" or "costing us taxpayers X-amount of dollars" and yet no one wants to treat the criminals on wall street as criminals who frauded the system.

If they broke laws then send them to jail. I didn't know I needed to bring up that subject to validate my point on immigration. I'll try to remeber that next time.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

again, seems to be okay on Wall Street where it's back to shady business as usual.

i realize we're mixing subjects here, but not really. it seems most people want to claim that they understand immigrants wanting to better their lives and it has nothing to do with racism or class warfare, just the fact that by doing it illegally, they are "draining the system" or "costing us taxpayers X-amount of dollars" and yet no one wants to treat the criminals on wall street as criminals who defrauded the system.

I don't think anyone here claimed that if a wall street business was guilty of fraud, or any other criminal act, that they shouldn't be prosecuted.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think anyone here claimed that if a wall street business was guilty of fraud, or any other criminal act, that they shouldn't be prosecuted.

fair enough... but the "IF"s in this thread... and the fact that "smaller govt" (ie less/no regulation) is part of what let these clowns run amok semi-legally. i dont claim to know the ins/outs of bank fraud laws and credit default swaps and all that other toxic shit that brought on the economic collapse... and i bet there's not a simple "crime" on the books to be pointed to, but there was a tremendous transfer of wealth from us (the lower and middle class taxpayers) to them (the ultra rich elite) and when the whole thing blew up, our govt (us/taxpayers, etc) gave them another 700 million and counting...... and, as we know, it was Bush AND Obama, a "bipartisan" effort to hand these assholes hundreds of millions of dollars AFTER they'd robbed us all blind. so, it's just a bit odd to see complaints about "the amount of drain that our social welfare structure exerts on the whole economy" as if some poor bastard getting $482/month from the government is the big problem in this country.

another one ripped from the headlines would be the oil spill in the gulf. the Wall St Journal reported that the oil well didn't have a remote-controlled emergency "off switch." i guess no one wanted "big govt" to get involved with telling businesses how to operate so Dick Cheney's energy task force figured $500,000 switches were too expensive to force BP to buy/install. $500,000 is NOTHING to a big oil company... and how much of a drain on our economy will result from that spill?

i realize this is/was an immigration thread and some of you might say these are all separate topics, but my point is that "social welfare" is not near the top of the list of things draining our economy. this myth that poor minorities are handed everything and/or that we're all working our asses off (or posting on WP while at work) so these poor folks can live it up is a bit ridiculous.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think anyone here claimed that if a wall street business was guilty of fraud, or any other criminal act, that they shouldn't be prosecuted.

We need to fix the border, so you guys round 'em up and roll 'em out. Show the world how tough you guys are. Place another shameful mark on our imperfect union. But me and my peeps won't be wearing that one. So don't be crying 20 years from now when you are judged by your freaking actions, and alot of people wind up getting checks. Just admint it, it's fear, it's fear because they ccould fundamentally change this country and the paranoid fifth aka tea party will be even more marginalized.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well did you even look at the stats that the article provided? So we should just let more people drain the system even more?

I did look at the stats, and that is a part of why I say I won't win the argument. I am for a SERIOUSLY smaller federal government. Thus making the contributions of immigrants at all levels much more economically feasible. But the problem is not the immigrants, but the amount of drain that our social welfare structure exerts on the whole economy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I did look at the stats, and that is a part of why I say I won't win the argument. I am for a SERIOUSLY smaller federal government. Thus making the contributions of immigrants at all levels much more economically feasible. But the problem is not the immigrants, but the amount of drain that our social welfare structure exerts on the whole economy.

That Sr. we both agree on.

[joethiesmanfan]

We could buils a true democracy transaparent and the US millitary could helpus build a wall and use drones to blow up the boers who resist. We could be a beacon of freedonm.

[dmek25]

first, are you always so bitter?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

first, are you always so bitter?

Actually I'm not bitter at all I just get ticked now and then with how people think its Ok to throw around our tax money. I work hard for my money and when I work 3 months of the year to pay taxes just to read some of the crap I see here ticks me a little. You call me bitter but you read right over their post and what they have said and don't see any thing that sounds bitter. Ok

[CRedskinsRule]

Yes on the British, no on the Dutch. However, your whole statement of Europe (generally) being a non-productive continent is ridiculous. I just compared the exchange rates of the Mexican, Chilean Peso, and Brazil Real to both the Euro and the US $, and I don't see the correlation that says they are worth more than either the $ or Euro. So other than a general statement as to the cause of the decline of British and Dutch Empires, the rest of your soliloquy is really not grounded in any type of reality.

top 12 GDP(in Millions of USD
1 United States 14,256,275
2 Japan 5,068,059
3 People's Republic of China 4,908,9822
4 Germany 3,352,742
5 France 2,675,951
6 United Kingdom 2,183,607
7 Italy 2,118,264
8 Brazil 1,574,039
9 Spain 1,464,040
10 Canada 1,336,427
11 India 1,235,975
12 Russia 1,229,227

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yes on the British, no on the Dutch. However, your whole statement of Europe (generally) being a non-productive continent is ridiculous. I just compared the exchange rates of the Mexican, Chilean Peso, and Brazil Real to both the Euro and the US $, and I don't see the correlation that says they are worth more than either the $ or Euro. So other than a general statement as to the cause of the decline of British and Dutch Empires, the rest of your soliloquy is really not grounded in any type of reality.

top 12 GDP(in Millions of USD
1 United States 14,256,275
2 Japan 5,068,059
3 People's Republic of China 4,908,9822
4 Germany 3,352,742
5 France 2,675,951
6 United Kingdom 2,183,607
7 Italy 2,118,264
8 Brazil 1,574,039
9 Spain 1,464,040
10 Canada 1,336,427
11 India 1,235,975
12 Russia 1,229,227

Wow we are more than double our next closest competitor and this is not even counting the dope trade. Holy cow.

[mredskins]

this thread:

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by saden1

I would have thought someone would have started a thread about this but I guess I will. What's the point of this law? I don't get it.

It is political grandstanding by the GOP plain and simple. The Teapartiers have them worried so they have to come out like they are against illegal immigration like gangbusters. Thing is, stuff like this is going to lead to "Your papers please!!!!" It is rather sad. Russia and E Europe have thrown off the yoke of totalitarianism, yet our govt starting to embrace it.

[SBXVII]

Maybe if we had all the illegal immigrants write essays.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Maybe if we had all the illegal immigrants write essays.

were you just watching south park too? haha