Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Who is this we you speak of?

We are the conservatives that want no government intervention in anything as long we make a profit.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

We are the conservatives that want no government intervention in anything as long we make a profit.

Funny this oil spill happened while a liberal was in office that gave the OK to start drilling without proper permits. Don't blame conservatives.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny this oil spill happened while a liberal was in office that gave the OK to start drilling without proper permits. Don't blame conservatives.

Not blaming them, I am shocked at how quick they change their philosophy, drill baby drill bump the environment. Actually they were howling about socialism to protect this BP oil giant. If Obama had've went anywhere near regulating BP they wouldve started the socialism talk. Want it both ways FD?

[CRedskinsRule]

[SolidSnake84]

Well it sounds like Deja Vu i know, but the latest word from BP is that their oil spill could be capped later today. They are currently in the process of lowering the LMRP (Lower marine riser package) on top of the failed blowout preventer. If everything goes smoooth, it should be working by this evening.

their last option before giving up entirely and waiting for relief wells will be installing a second blowout preventer on top of the failed one....

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Well it sounds like Deja Vu i know, but the latest word from BP is that their oil spill could be capped later today. They are currently in the process of lowering the LMRP (Lower marine riser package) on top of the failed blowout preventer. If everything goes smoooth, it should be working by this evening.

their last option before giving up entirely and waiting for relief wells will be installing a second blowout preventer on top of the failed one....

The relief well is the key. In Canada whenever you build a deep water well you must build a relief well. Imagine if the relief well was aq\lready in place? The leak would have been a spill and stopped possibly within the first week. Hmm, I say require a relief well for every well. Good punishment on their profits. If they say this makes us less competitive I say Busllshit we can have a new company get the oil (that's not Halliburton).

[SolidSnake84]

You'd have just thought that they would have some safety method in place that could have prevented this, for example, the blowout preventer having a manual mode of some kind where it could be manipulated with the robots. Basically a backup plan for the backup plan. I know the robots tried to get it to work, but it seems like they pretty much knew that they had long odds from day one. The whole operation just seemed to be too dangerous in the event that something went wrong. and something did go wrong.

I dont get the feeling of BP being calculated and measured, as some people on this thread have alleged. I see a company that is scrambling for solutions they never possessed in the first place, a company who is dealing with a staining public image, and now a company who may face criminal charges. Tony Heyward, BP's CEO, looks more and more gaunt each day. That man didn't cause this problem, but i'm sure he will end up losing his job over it, and could possibly go to jail....it's just hell in the gulf right now.

We are past the limits of science, or what man can do to fix this. Man has no way to fix this. Nothing short of divine intervention will save the people of the gulf. It's time to Pray. God is the only person who can fix what they did.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

You'd have just thought that they would have some safety method in place that could have prevented this, for example, the blowout preventer having a manual mode of some kind where it could be manipulated with the robots. Basically a backup plan for the backup plan. I know the robots tried to get it to work, but it seems like they pretty much knew that they had long odds from day one. The whole operation just seemed to be too dangerous in the event that something went wrong. and something did go wrong.

I dont get the feeling of BP being calculated and measured, as some people on this thread have alleged. I see a company that is scrambling for solutions they never possessed in the first place, a company who is dealing with a staining public image, and now a company who may face criminal charges. Tony Heyward, BP's CEO, looks more and more gaunt each day. That man didn't cause this problem, but i'm sure he will end up losing his job over it, and could possibly go to jail....it's just hell in the gulf right now.

We are past the limits of science, or what man can do to fix this. Man has no way to fix this. Nothing short of divine intervention will save the people of the gulf. It's time to Pray. God is the only person who can fix what they did.

See that's what I don't get. They have the shut off valve which failed then after that its like now what do we do. I'm not talking just BP because it seems that no one has the technology to deal with this issue other then drilling a second well which should have been done along withe the main well. I would have thought that there would have been strick goverment regulation making sure they could handle a problem like this. I think this is a good case to prove that our congress is getting paid off to look the other way. Both parties are guilty because this did not start with Obama or Bush we have been drilling for oil for much longer.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by firstdown

See that's what I don't get. They have the shut off valve which failed then after that its like now what do we do. I'm not talking just BP because it seems that no one has the technology to deal with this issue other then drilling a second well which should have been done along withe the main well. I would have thought that there would have been strick goverment regulation making sure they could handle a problem like this. I think this is a good case to prove that our congress is getting paid off to look the other way. Both parties are guilty because this did not start with Obama or Bush we have been drilling for oil for much longer.

as far as i'm concerned, it goes back really as far as Dick Cheney and George H.W. Bush in the early 90's.....

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

as far as i'm concerned, it goes back really as far as Dick Cheney and George H.W. Bush in the early 90's.....

Dude they have been drilling for oil much longer then that. What do you think they had a way to stop these leaks and when Bush took office the technology just disappeared. Its apparent now that no one has had any safty plan for these types of disaster.

[budw38]

Maybe , just maybe this is more reason why we should drill on shore , like ANWAR and other area's where we have oil/shale . We will likely not find a replacement for oil anytime soon , sadly . R.I.P. to those who lost their lives on that rig .

[MTK]

Could get worse:

Undersea oil pipelines vulnerable to hurricanes - USATODAY.com

[MTK]

How about some strict internal safety measures from BP to begin with? Interesting that some are suddenly in favor of more gov't involvement.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How about some strict internal safety measures from BP to begin with? Interesting that some are suddenly in favor of more gov't involvement.

I am one who favors as little gov't involvement as possible. That said, I have no problems with punitive fines, and possibly criminal neglect charges, against BP execs who allowed the lax security in this case. The only real regulation I would want to see is a relief well requirement for deep water wells (what ever deep water is defined as) and a required approved Emergency Action Plan(EAP) and I imagine the EAP requirement already exists. Unfortunately, when huge mistakes happen Government is required to step in. Then it's impossible to get them back out again

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How about some strict internal safety measures from BP to begin with? Interesting that some are suddenly in favor of more gov't involvement.

I have never had a problem with basic goverment involvement and safty standards. It seems that a basic backup plan has never been formed and everyone has relied on that one shut of valve to stop this from happening.
Some things in this world need a back up plan A, B & C and some need none at all.

When I go to work I get in my car and just go not thinking about if I break down. When I hop in my boat I have several back up plans for if something goes wrong. If my car breaks down I can walk or call someone for help but if I have a problem with the boat it could mean life or death. So with the boat I have 2 VHF radios, emergency flares, cell phone handy, life jackets, etc... Thats the kind of back up plan I figured the oil companies would have but its apparent that none have any real back up plans.