Arizona's New Immigration Law

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think anyone here claimed that if a wall street business was guilty of fraud, or any other criminal act, that they shouldn't be prosecuted.

fair enough... but the "IF"s in this thread... and the fact that "smaller govt" (ie less/no regulation) is part of what let these clowns run amok semi-legally. i dont claim to know the ins/outs of bank fraud laws and credit default swaps and all that other toxic shit that brought on the economic collapse... and i bet there's not a simple "crime" on the books to be pointed to, but there was a tremendous transfer of wealth from us (the lower and middle class taxpayers) to them (the ultra rich elite) and when the whole thing blew up, our govt (us/taxpayers, etc) gave them another 700 million and counting...... and, as we know, it was Bush AND Obama, a "bipartisan" effort to hand these assholes hundreds of millions of dollars AFTER they'd robbed us all blind. so, it's just a bit odd to see complaints about "the amount of drain that our social welfare structure exerts on the whole economy" as if some poor bastard getting $482/month from the government is the big problem in this country.

another one ripped from the headlines would be the oil spill in the gulf. the Wall St Journal reported that the oil well didn't have a remote-controlled emergency "off switch." i guess no one wanted "big govt" to get involved with telling businesses how to operate so Dick Cheney's energy task force figured $500,000 switches were too expensive to force BP to buy/install. $500,000 is NOTHING to a big oil company... and how much of a drain on our economy will result from that spill?

i realize this is/was an immigration thread and some of you might say these are all separate topics, but my point is that "social welfare" is not near the top of the list of things draining our economy. this myth that poor minorities are handed everything and/or that we're all working our asses off (or posting on WP while at work) so these poor folks can live it up is a bit ridiculous.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

fair enough... but the "IF"s in this thread... and the fact that "smaller govt" (ie less/no regulation) is part of what let these clowns run amok semi-legally. i dont claim to know the ins/outs of bank fraud laws and credit default swaps and all that other toxic shit that brought on the economic collapse... and i bet there's not a simple "crime" on the books to be pointed to, but there was a tremendous transfer of wealth from us (the lower and middle class taxpayers) to them (the ultra rich elite) and when the whole thing blew up, our govt (us/taxpayers, etc) gave them another 700 million and counting...... and, as we know, it was Bush AND Obama, a "bipartisan" effort to hand these assholes hundreds of millions of dollars AFTER they'd robbed us all blind. so, it's just a bit odd to see complaints about "the amount of drain that our social welfare structure exerts on the whole economy" as if some poor bastard getting $482/month from the government is the big problem in this country.

another one ripped from the headlines would be the oil spill in the gulf. the Wall St Journal reported that the oil well didn't have a remote-controlled emergency "off switch." i guess no one wanted "big govt" to get involved with telling businesses how to operate so Dick Cheney's energy task force figured $500,000 switches were too expensive to force BP to buy/install. $500,000 is NOTHING to a big oil company... and how much of a drain on our economy will result from that spill?

i realize this is/was an immigration thread and some of you might say these are all separate topics, but my point is that "social welfare" is not near the top of the list of things draining our economy. this myth that poor minorities are handed everything and/or that we're all working our asses off (or posting on WP while at work) so these poor folks can live it up is a bit ridiculous.

You may want to stick to football. Maybe now take your little check of $482 and times that by 20 million, 30 million, then add food stamps, and goverment housing and then whats that figure. If you think its Ok for them to come here then sponser a family. You do know you can do that and flip the bill for them. Come on you liberals put your money where your mouth is. None of you will because you won't spend your money you want to spend my fucking money.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Come on you liberals put your money where your mouth is. None of you will because you won't spend your money you want to spend my fucking money.

first, you dont know me or what i spend my money on. conservatives "spend my fucking money" on wasteful military spending that i dont agree with. they line the pockets of Halliburton....

do you think you are the only one who pays taxes and/or disagrees with how much of it is spent? get the fuck over yourself acting like us "liberals" are somehow "stealing" your money and "giving" it to the poor. funny how you're all pissed off claiming that "we" wont spend our money and that the illegals use services w/o paying taxes and yet you're sitting there saying YOU dont want to pay taxes either. you know, you have the option of leaving as well...

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

first, you dont know me or what i spend my money on. conservatives "spend my fucking money" on wasteful military spending that i dont agree with. they line the pockets of Halliburton....

do you think you are the only one who pays taxes and/or disagrees with how much of it is spent? get the fuck over yourself acting like us "liberals" are somehow "stealing" your money and "giving" it to the poor. funny how you're all pissed off claiming that "we" wont spend our money and that the illegals use services w/o paying taxes and yet you're sitting there saying YOU dont want to pay taxes either. you know, you have the option of leaving as well...

Dude, since you are new I will throw you a bone.

Firstdown is here for comic relief at best. Many times over his ideas and view points have been proven wrong on this web site. Take every thing he says with a grain of salt. Others will rush to his side to defend him but they too are just as confused.

It is like pissing into the wind when talking about politics on this site. Basically a waste of time and you go home wet and unhappy.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Dude, since you are new I will throw you a bone.

Firstdown is here for comic relief at best. Many times over his ideas and view points have been proven wrong on this web site. Take every thing he says with a grain of salt. Others will rush to his side to defend him but they too are just as confused.

It is like pissing into the wind when talking about politics on this site. Basically a waste of time and you go home wet and unhappy.

ha, yes, i realize that (in general, about political arguments on the internet... this aint my first rodeo).

you're right, i shouldn't waste my time, as none of us are gonna magically change anyone's mind.

wait, but where's the comedy?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

ha, yes, i realize that (in general, about political arguments on the internet... this aint my first rodeo).

you're right, i shouldn't waste my time, as none of us are gonna magically change anyone's mind.

wait, but where's the comedy?

On any other subject firstdown and crowd are very enjoyable folks, I too sometimes get dragged into these threads out of boredom at work.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

On any other subject firstdown and crowd are very enjoyable folks, I too sometimes get dragged into these threads out of boredom at work.

First guess you miss this post? Thanks for the personal attack (king of shit) this morning. I might just start lumping you in TTE data file.


What is getting really old fast on this site is there is a handful of folks on here that take every parking lot thread and turn it into a political discussion. Yes I might not agree with everything everyone has to say but I don't need to be en-dated with a billion "facts" about the Regan years every time someone opens a new thread in the parking lot.

Take GMScud for the most part I would say we don't see eye to eye on political matters but he presents his opinion in real terms, discussing the issue and his feelings and listening to others opinion. The handful I am speaking of comes in here and rattle off all this stupid post that are like 1000 words and they refuse to listen to anyone's opinion, they just keep post vomiting their "pesky facts".

Seriously how many thousand word post do you have to have on the Regan campaign before you realize no one is listening to you anymore?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Dude, since you are new I will throw you a bone.

Firstdown is here for comic relief at best. Many times over his ideas and view points have been proven wrong on this web site. Take every thing he says with a grain of salt. Others will rush to his side to defend him but they too are just as confused.

It is like pissing into the wind when talking about politics on this site. Basically a waste of time and you go home wet and unhappy.

Funny you make this post but don't post any of the stuff I have post that is always proven wrong. I'm sure you can find some post because of all the post I have made but your the king of shit here.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny you make this post but don't post any of the stuff I have post that is always proven wrong. I'm sure you can find some post because of all the post I have made but your the king of shit here.

Good Morning! Check out the sleeping thread more people loving you in that thread.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny you make this post but don't post any of the stuff I have post that is always proven wrong. I'm sure you can find some post because of all the post I have made but your the king of shit here.

Are you missing some words here?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Are you missing some words here?

Well Mredskin is complaining about long post so I was trying to cut down some.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

first, you dont know me or what i spend my money on. conservatives "spend my fucking money" on wasteful military spending that i dont agree with. they line the pockets of Halliburton....

There we go...the Halliburton argument.

Do you realize Clinton gave contracts to them also, or that they are one of 2 or 3 companies in the world that do certain types of work that was required in Iraq?

Of course not...the facts will make you regret your t-shirt and bumper sticker purchases.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by Buster

There we go...the Halliburton argument.

Do you realize Clinton gave contracts to them also, or that they are one of 2 or 3 companies in the world that do certain types of work that was required in Iraq?

Of course not...the facts will make you regret your t-shirt and bumper sticker purchases.

yes, i DO know all of that. as i've said, govt waste and excessive military spending is a problem no matter who is in the whitehouse. but i appreciate your condescending attempt at humor with the t-shirt talk. good effort.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

first, you dont know me or what i spend my money on. conservatives "spend my fucking money" on wasteful military spending that i dont agree with. they line the pockets of Halliburton....

do you think you are the only one who pays taxes and/or disagrees with how much of it is spent? get the fuck over yourself acting like us "liberals" are somehow "stealing" your money and "giving" it to the poor. funny how you're all pissed off claiming that "we" wont spend our money and that the illegals use services w/o paying taxes and yet you're sitting there saying YOU dont want to pay taxes either. you know, you have the option of leaving as well...

Actually, we don't. Take a look at the immigration laws in just about any country you would want to live in (Western Europe...) and you'll see that "leaving" is not much of an option, save for those with corporate sponsorship. Also, as someone who has spent a significant portion of my adult life living overseas, it's far from a bad option. I know it's a little off topic and not specific to your post, but it always gets me when people act as if living outside of the US is akin to residing in a leper colony...

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Actually, we don't. Take a look at the immigration laws in just about any country you would want to live in (Western Europe...) and you'll see that "leaving" is not much of an option, save for those with corporate sponsorship. Also, as someone who has spent a significant portion of my adult life living overseas, it's far from a bad option. I know it's a little off topic and not specific to your post, but it always gets me when people act as if living outside of the US is akin to residing in a leper colony...

actually, i was kinda kidding. a play on if/when anyone complained under Bush the phoney cowboys and dittoheads will tell people to "love it or leave it" or "STFU and love your country" or "if you dont like it you can leave."