Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[SmootSmack]

JLC is trying too hard to find something to stir up about the Skins. Is Haynesworth thrilled with the change to a 3-4? No, but he's not throwing a major fit about things.

He's just not showing up to voluntary practice. That's all there is to it. It's not popular, but it's not wrong either.

[CRedskinsRule]

JLC is trying too hard to find something to stir up about the Skins. Is Haynesworth thrilled with the change to a 3-4? No, but he's not throwing a major fit about things.

He's just not showing up to voluntary practice. That's all there is to it. It's not popular, but it's not wrong either.

Take that common sense away from here. This article is just what is needed to stir the pot for the next week. Of course it doesn't have any real facts but that doesn't matter. The oompa loompa cannon is in full fire effect.

[GTripp0012]

The Haynesworth thing is the biggest non-story of the NFL off-season. If the only reports on the situation were accurate reports, there wouldn't be a story.

There is a day that this will no longer be a regurgitated daily media "watch". How far off that day is, only Brett Favre truly knows.

[Pocket$ $traight]

How many times does Jared LaCanfora have to lie to your face before people stop listening to him? His Redskins reports are useless.

I heard Lavar yapping today about Godzilla too. Until Al is officially out the door, this topic needs to die.

And btw, Jared LaCanfora is a farce. He should have been fired by NFL Network after the draft when Jared and his buddy Reid created this nonsense. At least Reid has decided to abandon ship.

When you pay the most dominant player in the NFL (voted by his peers) 21 million dollars, you don't trade him for a 3rd and a 4th in next year's draft. Sorry people...

[warpaint]

Now if AH did leak the whole being DECEIVED by DS thing is true. We will have a problem on our hands.

There hasnt been one word from AH's camp about him being upset, until now. Its funny how soon after D.Snyder comments this weekend we get the first rumbling from AH's people. True or not there could be something to it. Using the word Deceived sounds really personal, now if he and DS had an open dialogue last season and now its no more, If thats me I would feel a little betrade, and then I hear those comments from DS this weekend. I wouldnt be happy, I'd be pissed like my charactor is being attacked. I've been quite so far, and now a teammate just called me out, the owner of the team, who, I thought wouldn't go to the press about this just did. So yeah I could see him feeling deceived.

Now if AH doesnt come out in a week or two and says "Hey words have been put in my mouth, they arent true so dont pay it any mind. Im just replacing Brett Favre right now." Then we might have something here hopefully not.He did say he didnt want to be a distraction. He is one now and he can be the only one to stop it.

[ethat001]

I know this would never happen because $$$ matters more than anything for these guys, but...

Is there anything Haynesworth could do by missing these practices that would invalidate part of his contract? I imagine if he refused to come in for mandatory practices, etc..

And what if we told him to play NT and he played half-heartedly, or even faked an injury... Does anyone know if his contract has any sort of enforcement?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by ethat001

I know this would never happen because $$$ matters more than anything for these guys, but...

Is there anything Haynesworth could do by missing these practices that would invalidate part of his contract? I imagine if he refused to come in for mandatory practices, etc..

And what if we told him to play NT and he played half-heartedly, or even faked an injury... Does anyone know if his contract has any sort of enforcement?

Haynesworth would never do anything that could be proven as a "faked" injury, and how can you really prove he was playing halfheartedly? You could point to certain plays on film and say he wasn't giving his best, but tanking and faking injuries will only further derail his future earnings. Sure he dicked around last year as far as practice and injury exaggeration, but he knew he was ridiculously paid no matter what. I don't know contractual legalese, but I doubt you can add a clause that involves salary reduction based on perceived lack of effort on gamedays, or fake injuries.

He'll have to toe the Shanahan line at some point if he wants to be successful here and/or get another big payday from another team. Or maybe he's content with what he's earned so far and he half-asses his way through the rest of his career. I hope it's the former, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Haynesworth would never do anything that could be proven as a "faked" injury, and how can you really prove he was playing halfheartedly? You could point to certain plays on film and say he wasn't giving his best, but tanking and faking injuries will only further derail his future earnings. Sure he dicked around last year as far as practice and injury exaggeration, but he knew he was ridiculously paid no matter what. I don't know contractual legalese, but I doubt you can add a clause that involves salary reduction based on perceived lack of effort on gamedays, or fake injuries.

He'll have to toe the Shanahan line at some point if he wants to be successful here and/or get another big payday from another team. Or maybe he's content with what he's earned so far and he half-asses his way through the rest of his career. I hope it's the former, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter.

I just hope my boss doesn't include a salary reduction for time spent on the warpath, and days I called in with a "cough". (ok, i haven't called in in the last year, but the warpath deduction would probably take my whole salary)

[over the mountain]

I dont know if posting articles talking aobut other players not attending mandatories really helps your cause when those players are sitting out for contract reasons.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

I dont know if posting articles talking aobut other players not attending mandatories really helps your cause when those players are sitting out for contract reasons.

I think it does, in the sense that these camps, while helpful, are not the tell tale sign of success in the upcoming season. A disgruntled player is a disgruntled player regardless of the reason. In Johnson's case, they just renegotiated 2 years ago, and now he see's Marshall get paid, and wants more. But I am fairly positive he will be on the roster and playing to his level, just as I am sure AH will be too.

These OTA/minicamps seem like they were purposely included so that players could use them to express displeasure with the FO. I know that's not the case, but if a player is unhappy or wants to make a non-binding statement, this has become the acceptable way to express it.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Haynesworth is sitting out because Shanahan said he was the redskins starting NT and he doesnt want to play NT. Yes, he's also made comments that Haynesworth will be moved around, but at the end of the day, he's the NT and thats the last thing in the world he wants to do. He feels "deceived" beacuse his current situation is completely different than what it was a year ago. Well, he needs to get over it. he can play chicken with Shanahan and Allen all he wants, but he's never going to win. If he's traded, it won't be because he's being a punk.

Hopefully, someone close to him will get his mind straight. whatever role he ends up playing for the team, we'll be much better with him than without him. And if Haynesworth really wants out, his best chance at getting traded is to disprove those of us who think he's a selfish diva who only wants money and play hard. Then, and only then, he might be able to show other teams that he's worth giving up whatever it is we'd insist on in a trade. Who knows, he might even find that being a NT isn't that bad.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Haynesworth is sitting out because Shanahan said he was the redskins starting NT and he doesnt want to play NT.

I didn't even read past this because it itself was incorrect. Do you just ignore every time it's posted that he had already planned his offseason program before the new regime and staff were in? Or do you just choose to conveniently ignore it?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I didn't even read past this because it itself was incorrect. Do you just ignore every time it's posted that he had already planned his offseason program before the new regime and staff were in? Or do you just choose to conveniently ignore it?

I'm sure alot of players had plans before the new regime came in. But when Shahanan came in and asked all the players to show up, everyone that had made other plans changed them and showed up with the rest of the team. Whatever regimen Haynesworth is on, he could most certainly adjust it to have shown up for minicamp if he wanted to. He doesn't. Sure, none of us know for sure what is going on in Haynesworth's head, but it doesnt take rocket science to figure out that he's probably not happy.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure alot of players had plans before the new regime came in. But when Shahanan came in and asked all the players to show up, everyone that had made other plans changed them and showed up with the rest of the team. Whatever regimen Haynesworth is on, he could most certainly adjust it to have shown up for minicamp if he wanted to. He doesn't. Sure, none of us know for sure what is going on in Haynesworth's head, but it doesnt take rocket science to figure out that he's probably not happy.

This is all true (most likely), but it's not like Haynesworth is the only one of the Shanahan-Haynesworth dynamic that has to earn the others' respect. There's nothing that says that Mike Shanahan has to be accomodating of Haynesworth's desire to be the best individual player he can be, but it would certainly be in his benefit to give Haynesworth whatever he needs to thrive for this team.

Frankly, if the Redskins can't win this year with McNabb, 29-year old Haynesworth, Carter, Fletcher, Rogers, 29-year old Portis, Cooley AND Davis, how the heck are they going to win when McNabb's gone, Haynesworth's gone, Carter and Fletcher are gone, and who-knows-what is going on in the secondary?

Again, there's no reason to think this relationship won't work out just dandy, at least for a year. I'm just saying if it doesn't, you have to hold both parties accountable to some degree, because frankly, the responsibility falls with the head coach to make it work (and to get rid of him if he can conclude that it just isn't going to work).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Haynesworth is sitting out because Shanahan said he was the redskins starting NT and he doesnt want to play NT. Yes, he's also made comments that Haynesworth will be moved around, but at the end of the day, he's the NT and thats the last thing in the world he wants to do. He feels "deceived" beacuse his current situation is completely different than what it was a year ago. Well, he needs to get over it. he can play chicken with Shanahan and Allen all he wants, but he's never going to win. If he's traded, it won't be because he's being a punk.

Hopefully, someone close to him will get his mind straight. whatever role he ends up playing for the team, we'll be much better with him than without him. And if Haynesworth really wants out, his best chance at getting traded is to disprove those of us who think he's a selfish diva who only wants money and play hard. Then, and only then, he might be able to show other teams that he's worth giving up whatever it is we'd insist on in a trade. Who knows, he might even find that being a NT isn't that bad.

Both parties involved flat out deny this to be the case. I think there's legitimate reason to believe that Haynesworth would rather play the 4-3 because he's comfortable with it, but there's no evidence to suggest that he's so much as disgruntled with a switch to the 3-4.

I also don't think there's any reason to think he's feeling either deceived or disgruntled. The only person to actually use the word "deceived" was La Canfora. He's trying to summarize the mood of the situation in a word, of course, but I'm not even really sure he has any more access to the situation than I do at this point (which would be: none). His "sources" have yet to be correct.

I think he's been quoted as suggesting that perhaps his talents would be wasted eating up blockers, but there's no reason to necessarily think that the 1st team NT for the Redskins (even if it's Haynesworth) is going to primarily eat space. That's not really what Jay Ratliff does in Dallas, for example. Haynesworth could end up being a one-gap NT. That decision probably hasn't been made yet.

Kris Jenkins is a little bit bigger than Haynesworth, and Shaun Rogers is about his size, they both went from 4-3 DT to 3-4 NT and flourished. The difference with Haynesworth is that instead of coming out of the game on passing downs, he may just slide outside the Guard.