Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I can't speak for everyone, but if I beleived that Haynesworth was motivated to do everything possible to be the best player possible in this new scheme and would give 100% to doing whatever the coaches asked him to do, there's no way i'd even consider getting rid of him. He's just to dominant when he wants to be. However, a number of factors make me believe that we won't be getting much effort from Haynesworth and he'll be a problem child as long as he's here. If we can get good value for him, we should trade him. If not, we just have to hope he decides at some point to commit 100% to his new role.

I love your insight. You'll probably replace Smoot as the insider eventually.

[CRedskinsRule]

Ya know - work is annoying. I am listening to Sirius NFL network, Adam Scheffter comes on, I hear the whole interview, and as soon as he is asked about the AH situation, a guy walks in from the plant with a question and the phone rings with order confirmations. So I miss the AH questions completely. Aaaargh.

[SmootSmack]

My biggest concern with the defense is switching Lorenzo Alexander to Jeremy Jarmon to LB (and Andre Carter), those could pan out but it's a bit of a risk at this point

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My biggest concern with the defense is switching Lorenzo Alexander to Jeremy Jarmon to LB (and Andre Carter), those could pan out but it's a bit of a risk at this point

I think Jarmon was a steal for us, I hope he's used to the best of his ability. I'd hate to see his talent and our good fortune wasted. Hopefully he takes well to his new position, which could very well happen, or the coaches adjust and find a way to get the most out of his talent.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My biggest concern with the defense is switching Lorenzo Alexander to Jeremy Jarmon to LB (and Andre Carter), those could pan out but it's a bit of a risk at this point

yep.. I like Lorenzo but I don't know about him at LB.. Jarmon might be alright but will probably take some time..

[mredskins]

Was listening to Raven's radio last night and they had a bunch of guys out of OTA's Ray Lewis included. Jim H. was like wish they were here but he was going to move forward with who he had there. It made me feel like AH not being here is really not that big of a deal.

[KI Skins Fan]

Yes, I believe that AH is selfish. I also believe that anyone who thinks we should dump him is making a big mistake.

It is much more important to me that he is a great football player than it is that he is, IMO, a poor teammate. Not since we had Dave Butz have we had anyone close to AH in his ability to stuff the run. Plus, he can get after the QB, too. The guy is a beast. Our team is much better with him than it would be without him.

IMO, there is no way that we could get anywhere near a fair return if he were to be traded. So, trading him is out of the question.

It wasn't my intent to suggest that, once he arrives, he won't put out a good effort and make a significant contribution to the team. I think he will. I just don't like his "me first" attitude and his inflexibility in regard to attending the minicamps.

[SBXVII]

This is what I don't understand, I know on defense each person has a specific job, ie; DT/NT is supposed to take on blockers and fill gaps on run plays. What I don't get is although he might be used as a NT does he really think he would not be trying to go after the QB? It would be his job to collapse the pocket while the DE's were circling around forcing the QB to step up. I'd almost imagine he might even get more tackles, sacks and forced fumbles vs. the DE's. Plus if we stuck him at DE and the QB rolls out it's not like he would be able to keep up with the QB anyway... he's too big.

but, in any event, I really don't give 2 cents that he's not here. It's voluntary. I can remember growing up and maybe only 10 player out of 80 would show up for voluntary work outs. The rest were enjoying their vacation. No one threw a fit. The funny part is its like seeing a person driving down the 65mph highway at 65 mph and everyone else is doing 75-80mph and their mad at the driver going the speed limit. AH is doing what he is allowed to do. He is doing what the NFLPA fought for way back when, when the players didn't want the owners keeping them at the facility year around. Until the agreement changes no one can fault AH for doing what he is allowed to do.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This is what I don't understand, I know on defense each person has a specific job, ie; DT/NT is supposed to take on blockers and fill gaps on run plays. What I don't get is although he might be used as a NT does he really think he would not be trying to go after the QB? It would be his job to collapse the pocket while the DE's were circling around forcing the QB to step up. I'd almost imagine he might even get more tackles, sacks and forced fumbles vs. the DE's. Plus if we stuck him at DE and the QB rolls out it's not like he would be able to keep up with the QB anyway... he's too big.

but, in any event, I really don't give 2 cents that he's not here. It's voluntary. I can remember growing up and maybe only 10 player out of 80 would show up for voluntary work outs. The rest were enjoying their vacation. No one threw a fit. The funny part is its like seeing a person driving down the 65mph highway at 65 mph and everyone else is doing 75-80mph and their mad at the driver going the speed limit. AH is doing what he is allowed to do. He is doing what the NFLPA fought for way back when, when the players didn't want the owners keeping them at the facility year around. Until the agreement changes no one can fault AH for doing what he is allowed to do.

He played a lot of DE last year on 3rd downs. He might be big but he can probably still run down most QBs.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He played a lot of DE last year on 3rd downs. He might be big but he can probably still run down most QBs.

Yeah, I was about to say, he can run down a QB scanning the field

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This is what I don't understand, I know on defense each person has a specific job, ie; DT/NT is supposed to take on blockers and fill gaps on run plays. What I don't get is although he might be used as a NT does he really think he would not be trying to go after the QB? It would be his job to collapse the pocket while the DE's were circling around forcing the QB to step up. I'd almost imagine he might even get more tackles, sacks and forced fumbles vs. the DE's. Plus if we stuck him at DE and the QB rolls out it's not like he would be able to keep up with the QB anyway... he's too big.

Depending on which variant Haslett is adopting, Haynesworth will have to do his fair share of disciplined gap control, and it's well-known he hates that and he would pick a gap and just attack it. I don't think we're adopting the Phillips variant, so the NT will likely have to defend both the gap to his right and to his left.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Depending on which variant Haslett is adopting, Haynesworth will have to do his fair share of disciplined gap control, and it's well-known he hates that and he would pick a gap and just attack it. I don't think we're adopting the Phillips variant, so the NT will likely have to defend both the gap to his right and to his right.

With Fletcher behind him, we probably could let Haynesworth attack his gap of choice, and let Fletcher read him and pick up any gap that Haynesworth misses (because just because he shoots a different gap doesn't mean he isn't going to make the play). Blache had a weird affinity for sending Fletcher on a delayed gap blitz, usually outside the guard, which tended to take our best interior defender out of the play for no good reason at all.

But hey, once in a blue moon, their running back would completely misread the play and we'd get a chance to hit the QB late and pick up a 15 yard flag!

Things will be different this year, I think.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

With Fletcher behind him, we probably could let Haynesworth attack his gap of choice, and let Fletcher read him and pick up any gap that Haynesworth misses (because just because he shoots a different gap doesn't mean he isn't going to make the play). Blache had a weird affinity for sending Fletcher on a delayed gap blitz, usually outside the guard, which tended to take our best interior defender out of the play for no good reason at all.

But hey, once in a blue moon, their running back would completely misread the play and we'd get a chance to hit the QB late and pick up a 15 yard flag!

Things will be different this year, I think.

lol nice

[12thMan]

Hey, where are the two dudes that wanted to start the "Leave Danny Boy" banner, or whatever it was called.

They could start a "I hate Haynesworth" banner

[GusFrerotte]

It isn't that he isn't here per say, but his attitude. THere is a new mHC?scheme in town. Wouldn't you want to geta heads up on learning what it is all about or get somewhat of a feel of what is going on before July/August, so you can excel come the season openeer vs the Cowboys. Sure it is optional, but the whole scheme is changing, get a leg up on it. It is analogous to having your professor in psycology taking time out to have study sessions at night for the big exam the follwing week, where he is going to touch on material that will be featured on the exam. Instead of going to the study session, you party, etc. Come test time, the students that went have a better idea of what they need to know to get the A, and you are uncertain of what will be covered. If some of these 3-4 DEs are really hungry for a job and compete, get to know the basics of the playbook, don't be too surprised if AH is going to have his ass on the bench often this season. Shanny wants guys that want to play and get the job done.