Obama's Budget Cuts

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Should've thought about that before the Bush tax cuts. What did you think? Obama was gonna get in office and not be able to do anything? You can complain about the budget all day. Why didn't the Republican party think about that when they had a budget surplus?

Instead of making this a Democratic/Republican debate, why not look at what the government as a whole is doing. And that is spending beyond our means. I think if we could re-frame the debate along those lines, the whole democrat-republican framework of debate could be toppled, and maybe we could come up with a new approach to resolving our nation's issues, from healthcare to debt management to overspending on defense. But as long as the 2 parties are able to play the sentiments of one group against each other, both parties can keep spending like drunken sailors, and blame the other party for spending on the pet projects their constituents don't support. It's the classic 3 card monte strategy of shifting targets until the real answer is just an illusion.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Instead of making this a Democratic/Republican debate, why not look at what the government as a whole is doing. And that is spending beyond our means. I think if we could re-frame the debate along those lines, the whole democrat-republican framework of debate could be toppled, and maybe we could come up with a new approach to resolving our nation's issues, from healthcare to debt management to overspending on defense. But as long as the 2 parties are able to play the sentiments of one group against each other, both parties can keep spending like drunken sailors, and blame the other party for spending on the pet projects their constituents don't support. It's the classic 3 card monte strategy of shifting targets until the real answer is just an illusion.

Look at the government as a whole? Okay let's get everything outta Iraq and Afghanistan right now. That should save how much? Repeal the bush tax cuts, then I think we should be back in the black. See it is partisan. The Republican agenda is waht got us in this fiscal mess.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Look at the government as a whole? Okay let's get everything outta Iraq and Afghanistan right now. That should save how much? Repeal the bush tax cuts, then I think we should be back in the black. See it is partisan. The Republican agenda is waht got us in this fiscal mess.

Umm, ok. or let's stop the Health care overhaul and cut discretionary spending, and that should put us back in the black. And the 3 card monte continues.

It's not as simple as "get everything outta Iraq" or "roll back Health care". But politician are kings of manipulation and some simpleton's like to make broad sweeping statements disregarding the realities of threats to america, or uninsured americans, or many others complex topics, and then blame the opposing party. There are solutions, but it starts by taking off the blinders that hate and dogma put on you.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Umm, ok. or let's stop the Health care overhaul and cut discretionary spending, and that should put us back in the black. And the 3 card monte continues.

It's not as simple as "get everything outta Iraq" or "roll back Health care". But politician are kings of manipulation and some simpleton's like to make broad sweeping statements disregarding the realities of threats to america, or uninsured americans, or many others complex topics, and then blame the opposing party. There are solutions, but it starts by taking off the blinders that hate and dogma put on you.

Allow me to refresh your memeory:
Threats to America = 300 billion dollar no bid contracts to Halliburton. (200,000 dollars a year to wash dishes, which branch of our armed forces makes 200,000 a year) If the money ain't going to the troops it's a waste.

Uninsured Americans = socialism - We all pay for their health care if we leave things at it's status quo we pay so what' with the fake outrage?

Clinton = surplus. Bush = "I need 786 billion dollars". This does not take a genius.

[Daseal]

Let's be honest -- both sides of the aisle spend like dogs. While they have different priorities, they both spend a lot of money. I'm really hoping we get a true fiscal conservative running. My views are very liberal, but I'm very conservative when it comes to spending. We need to get our bank right and live within our means. They tell the common Joe to live within their means, yet the country throws hundreds of millions of dollars around that they don't have.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Let's be honest -- both sides of the aisle spend like dogs. While they have different priorities, they both spend a lot of money. I'm really hoping we get a true fiscal conservative running. My views are very liberal, but I'm very conservative when it comes to spending. We need to get our bank right and live within our means. They tell the common Joe to live within their means, yet the country throws hundreds of millions of dollars around that they don't have.

Well we had to spend when everybody getting laid off. We don't let the average Joe go homeless as we bailout the banks. The function of banks in a capitalist society makes the banks damn near apart of the government nayway.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Allow me to refresh your memeory:
Threats to America = 300 billion dollar no bid contracts to Halliburton. (200,000 dollars a year to wash dishes, which branch of our armed forces makes 200,000 a year) If the money ain't going to the troops it's a waste.

Uninsured Americans = socialism - We all pay for their health care if we leave things at it's status quo we pay so what' with the fake outrage?

Clinton = surplus. Bush = "I need 786 billion dollars". This does not take a genius.

No Clinton with a Republican congress=surplus.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Allow me to refresh your memeory:
Threats to America = 300 billion dollar no bid contracts to Halliburton. (200,000 dollars a year to wash dishes, which branch of our armed forces makes 200,000 a year) If the money ain't going to the troops it's a waste.

Uninsured Americans = socialism - We all pay for their health care if we leave things at it's status quo we pay so what' with the fake outrage?

Clinton = surplus. Bush = "I need 786 billion dollars". This does not take a genius.

You really have no clue what a term like socialism means, or how our political system works. What's sad to me is that you are so fervent in your conviction that it is only the Republican/Bush party that you won't listen to other ideas.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Look at the government as a whole? Okay let's get everything outta Iraq and Afghanistan right now. That should save how much? Repeal the bush tax cuts, then I think we should be back in the black. See it is partisan. The Republican agenda is waht got us in this fiscal mess.

UM, I thought Obama was going to have us out of Iraq by now and isn't Obama the one building up the troops in Afghanistan? So Obama has full control now not Bush.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

UM, I thought Obama was going to have us out of Iraq by now and isn't Obama the one building up the troops in Afghanistan? So Obama has full control now not Bush.

Build up in Afghansitan to get us out, since Bush neglected Afghanistan and let the taliban come back. Yeah he fixing Bush's mess, but not sacrificing his agenda. Economy looking alot better than when he first took office.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Build up in Afghansitan to get us out, since Bush neglected Afghanistan and let the taliban come back. Yeah he fixing Bush's mess, but not sacrificing his agenda. Economy looking alot better than when he first took office.

Yea when you compare shit to more shit someone will finally find the best looking shit.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

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Yea when you compare shit to more shit someone will finally find the best looking shit.

I wil take that as you pushed the facebook like button on my comment.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by firstdown

UM, I thought Obama was going to have us out of Iraq by now and isn't Obama the one building up the troops in Afghanistan? So Obama has full control now not Bush.

Lawyer speak. "I promise to get our troops out of Iraq." He's keeping his word, he's just playing the shell game and moving them to Afghanistan.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Instead of making this a Democratic/Republican debate, why not look at what the government as a whole is doing. And that is spending beyond our means. I think if we could re-frame the debate along those lines, the whole democrat-republican framework of debate could be toppled, and maybe we could come up with a new approach to resolving our nation's issues, from healthcare to debt management to overspending on defense. But as long as the 2 parties are able to play the sentiments of one group against each other, both parties can keep spending like drunken sailors, and blame the other party for spending on the pet projects their constituents don't support. It's the classic 3 card monte strategy of shifting targets until the real answer is just an illusion.

Yeah good luck with that on this board.