Arizona's New Immigration Law

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 2BIG2BSKINNY

Hey I know that this issue has very many views and it affects different people different ways... My brother and I are Musicians and have made a song about this issue (not playful) and would like for you all to listen to it.

"Keep Us Down (produced by KB)" by BIGGADENLYPHE (Bigger Than Life)

Tell me what you think... I trust that my fellow skins fans can handle things like adults!

Thanks in advance for taking the time to listen to the tracks.

You can listen to more of our music at
ReverbNation

Not a bad track.

I disagree with a lot of the premises and statements though. I really wish everyone would read the law before commenting on it. I posted the text of the law in Post # 26. This law is about enforcing existing laws on the books and shutting down sanctuary cities, not racial profiling.

I think the separation of "brown/black" vs. white is wrong. This is exactly what the powers that be want to see continue. As with most issues the politicans, CEOs (not all are rich Republicans, many are rich Democrats), and activists who head groups that receive gov't grants (environemental/community/etc.) all want this separation to continue so the free-for-all with our tax dollars when their appropriate party comes into power will continue. When we're bickering amongst ourselves and pointing fingers at each other for America's problems, we aren't looking at the folks who are really the cause of our problems.....our gov't and the groups that sustain themselves off it unfairly.

If we (as in the American people, all races) ever get our $hit together and realize we're being taken for a ride by these guys, then we can put a stop to it (if we don't, divided we fall). Don't forget the gov't spending spree that began under Bush 2 and has accelerated dramatically under Obama will hit the middle/lower classes hardest when the bills come due and our gov't spending is no longer sustainable (within the next few years). A VAT tax will proportionally hurt the middle/lower class (regardless of race) harder than the top 5%. Increased utility taxes embedded in our utility bills due to cap-n-trade and other environmental legislation will hit the middle/lower class harder. Increases in SS & Medicare percentages will hurt the middle/lower class and small business owners harder than CEOs, and politicians will exempt themselves. What is needed is fundamental tax reform (FairTax, flat tax, something of that nature) to take some of the control over exemptions and how tax deductions are distributed out of the politican's hands. It reduces their power on the collection side. They can still spend funds, but will be forced to scale back because if they have to implement a percentage increase on everyone, not just a select few, there will be greater backlash.

The "spread the wealth" comment I completely disagree with. Who gets to decide how the wealth is "spread around"? I'm not in the top 5% , but I'm doing OK to take care of my family. I work a full-time job and run a small business (65+ hour work weeks). Why should the money I earned from my hard work to take care of my family be taken (at an even more disproportionate rate than it is now), by the gov't and given to others, be they gov't employees, military contractors, recepients of social programs, or foreign gov'ts, or whatever?

Let's say your music takes off and you become successful at it (you may already be, I don't know) but not a millionaire. Is it fair that you should be taxed at a total rate of over 50% (not just Fed, all taxes) on your hard work and talent when others that haven't taken the initiative/risks you did pay nothng or almost nothing?

Just some stuff to think about. I get it, the target audience of the music isn't middle-aged white dudes, but I just wish we could all clear up misconceptions in our society and work together to tackle our country's problems.....yes, I'm the eternal optimist....sigh.

[2BIG2BSKINNY]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Not a bad track.

I disagree with a lot of the premises and statements though. I really wish everyone would read the law before commenting on it. I posted the text of the law in Post # 26. This law is about enforcing existing laws on the books and shutting down sanctuary cities, not racial profiling.

I think the separation of "brown/black" vs. white is wrong. This is exactly what the powers that be want to see continue. As with most issues the politicans, CEOs (not all are rich Republicans, many are rich Democrats), and activists who head groups that receive gov't grants (environemental/community/etc.) all want this separation to continue so the free-for-all with our tax dollars when their appropriate party comes into power will continue. When we're bickering amongst ourselves and pointing fingers at each other for America's problems, we aren't looking at the folks who are really the cause of our problems.....our gov't and the groups that sustain themselves off it unfairly.

If we (as in the American people, all races) ever get our $hit together and realize we're being taken for a ride by these guys, then we can put a stop to it (if we don't, divided we fall). Don't forget the gov't spending spree that began under Bush 2 and has accelerated dramatically under Obama will hit the middle/lower classes hardest when the bills come due and our gov't spending is no longer sustainable (within the next few years). A VAT tax will proportionally hurt the middle/lower class (regardless of race) harder than the top 5%. Increased utility taxes embedded in our utility bills due to cap-n-trade and other environmental legislation will hit the middle/lower class harder. Increases in SS & Medicare percentages will hurt the middle/lower class and small business owners harder than CEOs, and politicians will exempt themselves. What is needed is fundamental tax reform (FairTax, flat tax, something of that nature) to take some of the control over exemptions and how tax deductions are distributed out of the politican's hands. It reduces their power on the collection side. They can still spend funds, but will be forced to scale back because if they have to implement a percentage increase on everyone, not just a select few, there will be greater backlash.

The "spread the wealth" comment I completely disagree with. Who gets to decide how the wealth is "spread around"? I'm not in the top 5% , but I'm doing OK to take care of my family. I work a full-time job and run a small business (65+ hour work weeks). Why should the money I earned from my hard work to take care of my family be taken (at an even more disproportionate rate than it is now), by the gov't and given to others, be they gov't employees, military contractors, recepients of social programs, or foreign gov'ts, or whatever?

Let's say your music takes off and you become successful at it (you may already be, I don't know) but not a millionaire. Is it fair that you should be taxed at a total rate of over 50% (not just Fed, all taxes) on your hard work and talent when others that haven't taken the initiative/risks you did pay nothng or almost nothing?

Just some stuff to think about. I get it, the target audience of the music isn't middle-aged white dudes, but I just wish we could all clear up misconceptions in our society and work together to tackle our country's problems.....yes, I'm the eternal optimist....sigh.

Thank you for taking the time to listen to the track!

I understand that this is a issue that is not very easy to fix!
There are several issues that you may not agree with...

as minorities we need (hispanics) to draw from the experience and get unity from the African Americans... if for nothing else then it helps our numbers so that we get a voice.

It is not going to be a quick fix to this immigration problem as action on either side of this debate leads to more potential problems.

I just don't like the way it is being handled now!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 2BIG2BSKINNY

Thank you for taking the time to listen to the track!

I understand that this is a issue that is not very easy to fix!
There are several issues that you may not agree with...

as minorities we need (hispanics) to draw from the experience and get unity from the African Americans... if for nothing else then it helps our numbers so that we get a voice.

It is not going to be a quick fix to this immigration problem as action on either side of this debate leads to more potential problems.

I just don't like the way it is being handled now!

Agree with you on that for sure.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Not a bad track.

I disagree with a lot of the premises and statements though. I really wish everyone would read the law before commenting on it. I posted the text of the law in Post # 26. This law is about enforcing existing laws on the books and shutting down sanctuary cities, not racial profiling.

I think the separation of "brown/black" vs. white is wrong. This is exactly what the powers that be want to see continue. As with most issues the politicans, CEOs (not all are rich Republicans, many are rich Democrats), and activists who head groups that receive gov't grants (environemental/community/etc.) all want this separation to continue so the free-for-all with our tax dollars when their appropriate party comes into power will continue. When we're bickering amongst ourselves and pointing fingers at each other for America's problems, we aren't looking at the folks who are really the cause of our problems.....our gov't and the groups that sustain themselves off it unfairly.

If we (as in the American people, all races) ever get our $hit together and realize we're being taken for a ride by these guys, then we can put a stop to it (if we don't, divided we fall). Don't forget the gov't spending spree that began under Bush 2 and has accelerated dramatically under Obama will hit the middle/lower classes hardest when the bills come due and our gov't spending is no longer sustainable (within the next few years). A VAT tax will proportionally hurt the middle/lower class (regardless of race) harder than the top 5%. Increased utility taxes embedded in our utility bills due to cap-n-trade and other environmental legislation will hit the middle/lower class harder. Increases in SS & Medicare percentages will hurt the middle/lower class and small business owners harder than CEOs, and politicians will exempt themselves. What is needed is fundamental tax reform (FairTax, flat tax, something of that nature) to take some of the control over exemptions and how tax deductions are distributed out of the politican's hands. It reduces their power on the collection side. They can still spend funds, but will be forced to scale back because if they have to implement a percentage increase on everyone, not just a select few, there will be greater backlash.

The "spread the wealth" comment I completely disagree with. Who gets to decide how the wealth is "spread around"? I'm not in the top 5% , but I'm doing OK to take care of my family. I work a full-time job and run a small business (65+ hour work weeks). Why should the money I earned from my hard work to take care of my family be taken (at an even more disproportionate rate than it is now), by the gov't and given to others, be they gov't employees, military contractors, recepients of social programs, or foreign gov'ts, or whatever?

Let's say your music takes off and you become successful at it (you may already be, I don't know) but not a millionaire. Is it fair that you should be taxed at a total rate of over 50% (not just Fed, all taxes) on your hard work and talent when others that haven't taken the initiative/risks you did pay nothng or almost nothing?

Just some stuff to think about. I get it, the target audience of the music isn't middle-aged white dudes, but I just wish we could all clear up misconceptions in our society and work together to tackle our country's problems.....yes, I'm the eternal optimist....sigh.

Actually Sammy spread the wealth is the chief function of all economic systems including capitalism. Don't let Rush bully you. If all wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few then we cease to be a democracy we wind up being a kingdom. Let's say one an individual accumulates a trillion dollars then something is truly wrong, he will essentially own everything. The system fails at that point. He will then have to euthanized.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Actually Sammy spread the wealth is the chief function of all economic systems including capitalism. Don't let Rush bully you. If all wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few then we cease to be a democracy we wind up being a kingdom. Let's say one an individual accumulates a trillion dollars then something is truly wrong, he will essentially own everything. The system fails at that point. He will then have to euthanized.

You are wrong....about...a....great...many....things.....y oung jedi.

1) "Spreading the wealth" or wealth redistribution is not a function of any economic system. The only entitiy that would redistribute wealth is one with the ability to do so (guns, jails, etc.)....the gov't. The function of federal gov't should be providing for national defense, certain nationwide infrastructure projects, courts, limited regulation of businesses, and not much more (that's why we have states). What is not a function of gov't is to take personal property from one group simply because of how much money they make and give it to others in the form of govt' payments in one form or another. There should be a uniform percentage of tax on all, with the very poor exempt. Those who make more money will pay more into that system because x % of $ 150K is more than x % of $ 50K.

Do you think it's fair that 47% of households in the U.S. pay no federal taxes? Is it fair that the top 10% paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government? Is it fair that the bottom 40%, on average, make a profit from federal income taxes?

2) I'm not a regular Rush listener and haven't listened in months.....I'm working in the middle of the day. But, you may want to stay off Air America.....ooops you can't listen to Air America, they went bankrupt and shut down.

3) So by your logic we should be getting the shots ready for saden's boys Billy G, Warren B, etc. because they've been too successful :frusty:

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Is it fair that the top 10% paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government?

i think so.
but i'm a socialist.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

i think so.
but i'm a socialist.

Sorry to hear that. Here's a great analogy for you:

A Teachers Excellent Analogy on Socialism!

also a good vid if you care to watch:

YouTube - The American Form of Government

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

You are wrong....about...a....great...many....things.....y oung jedi.

1) "Spreading the wealth" or wealth redistribution is not a function of any economic system. The only entitiy that would redistribute wealth is one with the ability to do so (guns, jails, etc.)....the gov't. The function of federal gov't should be providing for national defense, certain nationwide infrastructure projects, courts, limited regulation of businesses, and not much more (that's why we have states). What is not a function of gov't is to take personal property from one group simply because of how much money they make and give it to others in the form of govt' payments in one form or another. There should be a uniform percentage of tax on all, with the very poor exempt. Those who make more money will pay more into that system because x % of $ 150K is more than x % of $ 50K.

Do you think it's fair that 47% of households in the U.S. pay no federal taxes? Is it fair that the top 10% paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government? Is it fair that the bottom 40%, on average, make a profit from federal income taxes?

2) I'm not a regular Rush listener and haven't listened in months.....I'm working in the middle of the day. But, you may want to stay off Air America.....ooops you can't listen to Air America, they went bankrupt and shut down.

3) So by your logic we should be getting the shots ready for saden's boys Billy G, Warren B, etc. because they've been too successful :frusty:

I was being over dramatic. From your let the markets decide philosphy is ther a danger that a democracy turn into an oligarchy like in Russia. You must understand no system is perfect and must be regulated. Money is just a way to distribute welath itself. Not saying that's the governmnt's job, but in a good system design mooney does not collect in one spot. If it deos then it fails the society. You wind up with dictators. The free market will not regulate itself that would be a dangerous experiment and step back in time.