Arizona's New Immigration Law

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by firstdown

See liberals want to tax and have others pay for all their social programs and Obama is no different. The dude is president of the USA and his aunt lives in goverment housing draining our system and he does nothing for her from what I can tell. Same thing goes for his half brother that lives in a hut in some 3rd world.

right.
cuz all "liberals" ALL think and want the exact same thing. that's a pretty broad brush you're paintin with there my friend. i guess all "conservatives" and/or "republicans" are racists and homophobes cuz i know some that are?

and as someone pointed out, we dont know how close he is with this aunt or the alleged half-brother, not to mention the political dynamite that would go off if he reached out to them in any documented way. just seems like yet another bullshit "gotcha" story that's much a-do about very little.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

right.
cuz all "liberals" ALL think and want the exact same thing. that's a pretty broad brush you're paintin with there my friend. i guess all "conservatives" and/or "republicans" are racists and homophobes cuz i know some that are?

and as someone pointed out, we dont know how close he is with this aunt or the alleged half-brother, not to mention the political dynamite that would go off if he reached out to them in any documented way. just seems like yet another bullshit "gotcha" story that's much a-do about very little.

Please name one "liberal" public figure that does not want social programs. That is the basis of their platform. Kelsey Grammer is a "conservative" and i know him to be neither raciest or homophobic, rather quite the opposite. Do you realize how ridiculous and malicious your comparison is?

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Please name one "liberal" public figure that does not want social programs. That is the basis of their platform. Kelsey Grammer is a "conservative" and i know him to be neither raciest or homophobic, rather quite the opposite. Do you realize how ridiculous and malicious your comparison is?

hahaha! okay, let's play who can be more ridiculous!

i'm not even going to engage your line of thinking cuz "liberal" and "public figure" and "want social programs" is pretty genaral.

and the fact that Kelsey Grammer, Famous Conservative, is allegedly not a homophobe or racist (based on what? his own bio? his wiki page? are you his cousin?) all of a sudden i'm malicious?? my whole point was that NOT all conservatives are racists or homophobes.... which was to illustrate that not all "liberals" are the same. dont fall into this coke vs. pepsi trap, the illusion of choice.

people seem to see President Obama as some radical leftist liberal, while i see him as just another "pragmatic" centrist Clinton Democrat willing to compromise and act like a republican when it's deemed the popular thing to do and wont hesitate to sell out his constituency on the REAL left since he knows they have no where else to to turn and the mainstream not-so-liberal media has convinced him that he must "govern from the middle!"

my point, technically Obama and I are both "liberals" and yet we are pretty different.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

dont fall into this coke vs. pepsi trap, the illusion of choice.

but what about New Coke

people seem to see President Obama as some radical leftist liberal, while i see him as just another "pragmatic" centrist Clinton Democrat

You must be a little to the left of Mao and Hugo....

Just poking fun

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

but what about New Coke

You must be a little to the left of Mao and Hugo....

Just poking fun

haha! true.
but the people held up as hardcore liberal leftists in this country (Obama, Kerry, Ted Kennedy, the Clintons, etc) are all "pragmatic centrists" IMO.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

haha! true.
but the people held up as hardcore liberal leftists in this country (Obama, Kerry, Ted Kennedy, the Clintons, etc) are all "pragmatic centrists" IMO.

So, who do you consider a "hardcore liberal leftist"? Is anyone who fails to call for the dicatatorship of the proletariat a "pragmatic centerist"?

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So, who do you consider a "hardcore liberal leftist"? Is anyone who fails to call for the dicatatorship of the proletariat a "pragmatic centerist"?

no, just people like Kucinich or Feingold.... or even Glenn Greenwald who writes for salon. he's dubbed "a liberal" or "someone on the left," but he has plenty of valid criticism for obama and beltway democrats.

skilled politicians like Clinton and Obama know how to appeal to liberals while governing closer to the center.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

but what about New Coke

You must be a little to the left of Mao and Hugo....

Just poking fun

I saw the so-called big NRa crowd here in Charlotte. They are old looks like an AARP convention.