Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Shanahan doesn't nead to "earn" anyone's respect. His position alone should be enough to warrant respect. When I start a new job, my boss doesnt have to do anything to earn my respect. His position as my superior entitles him or her to respect from the beginning. It should be the same here. Haynesworth is a player. Shanahan is his boss. Respect should be a given. Additionally, its not like Shanahan is some career idiot quarterbacks coach handed a head coaching gig by another idiot. Shanahan's aa proven head coach that has won superbowls. So Haynesworth has all the more reason to respect him instantly.

The fact that Haynesworth is not demonstrating respect to Shanahan by doing what he's asking is just further evidence that Haynesworth is just stubbornly self-centered.

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

I agree and how that starts is stop airing the private businesses of the team in the media. The Redskins really need to take a page form the Patriots operations by keeping all personal team information out of the media. The old practice of a coaches sending his players messages in the press about their play or other team related things is old and outdated. It has to stop. You get better results and the respect from the players if you talk about it with them in private, behind closed doors. Stop trying to humiliate them in the press. That is disrespectful.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree and how that starts is stop airing the private businesses of the team in the media. The Redskins really need to take a page form the Patriots operations by keeping all personal team information out of the media. The old practice of a coaches sending his players messages in the press about their play or other team related things is old and outdated. It has to stop. You get better results and the respect from the players if you talk about it with them in private, behind closed doors. Stop trying to humiliate them in the press. That is disrespectful.

How have the Redskins handled this wrong publicly??

Other than "we're disappointed he's not here", what has anyone from the organization said that would be humilating or disrespectful to AH??

I'm really at a loss in regard to your take.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How have the Redskins handled this wrong publicly??

Other than "we're disappointed he's not here", what has anyone from the organization said that would be humilating or disrespectful to AH??

I'm really at a loss in regard to your take.

That is the problem. Tell the player directly you are disappointed in him but don't do it through the press. It is not professional. The Redskins and certain other teams should not air the dirty laundry in the press. What exactly to do you gain by telling the press? Makes the coach look good? Look at the new tough guy coach....he is so great.
Let the employee/employer information get out on its own. Don't get on a press stage and podium and state it to the entire world. Employees will respond better to that kind of respect and treatment. This applies to the players as well, they should not be going to the press to complain about internal team issues. Keep it in house.

[RememberRFK]

"Dirty Laundry"? I find the truth more revealing than conjecture. There was no he said, she said. It was to the point. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!

"We've got a good coach and all that stuff. Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do." - AH


Enough said!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is the problem. Tell the player directly you are disappointed in him but don't do it through the press. It is not professional. The Redskins and certain other teams should not air the dirty laundry in the press. What exactly to do you gain by telling the press? Makes the coach look good? Look at the new tough guy coach....he is so great.
Let the employee/employer information get out on its own. Don't get on a press stage and podium and state it to the entire world. Employees will respond better to that kind of respect and treatment. This applies to the players as well, they should not be going to the press to complain about internal team issues. Keep it in house.

I'm just not seeing where you're coming from. Their public statements have been kept to a minimum and I really don't see how they've embarrassed or humiliated AH at all by saying they're disappointed he's not there. If you ask me they could have handled this A LOT worse.

Anytime Allen or Shanhan are asked about it, they give a pretty generic response. He's not here, we wish he was, but we've had good talks with him, he'll be here for the mandatory stuff, etc.

I would be willing to bet the discussions behind closed doors haven't been as good natured.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm just not seeing where you're coming from. Their public statements have been kept to a minimum and I really don't see how they've embarrassed or humiliated AH at all by saying they're disappointed he's not there. If you ask me they could have handled this A LOT worse.

Anytime Allen or Shanhan are asked about it, they give a pretty generic response. He's not here, we wish he was, but we've had good talks with him, he'll be here for the mandatory stuff, etc.

I would be willing to bet the discussions behind closed doors haven't been as good natured.

We can agree to disagree, I am not trying to make a big big deal out of this.
It is not so much about AH and this particular situation, it is more about the yearly ritual of certain coaches bitching in the press about players not attending voluntary events. Either it is voluntary or it is mandatory. You can not have it both ways.
Talk about potentially creating a hostile work environment. The NFL and NFLPA really need to visit this issue.
All I know is if my boss made a statement to the press and used the word disappointed when talking about me and attending a voluntary work event, I would not be happy about it and I would not respect for my boss for doing it in such a public way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We can agree to disagree, I am not trying to make a big big deal out of this.
It is not so much about AH and this particular situation, it is more about the yearly ritual of certain coaches bitching in the press about players not attending voluntary events. Either it is voluntary or it is mandatory. You can not have it both ways.
Talk about potentially creating a hostile work environment. The NFL and NFLPA really need to visit this issue.
All I know is if my boss made a statement to the press and used the word disappointed when talking about me and attending a voluntary work event, I would not be happy about it and I would not respect for my boss for doing it in such a public way.

I agree the voluntary vs. mandatory thing creates sticky situations, but on the flipside if I'm AH and I just raked in $40M from my employer and 99% of my teammates are working hard at Redskins Park, voluntary or not it might be a good idea to play the good soldier routine and show up... out of respect for your employer and teammates.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

i'd say by doing exactly what he's doing, Shanahan IS commanding the respect of the team. By standing his ground and not "letting the inmates run the asylum," shanahan is ensuring that the entire team is on the same page. well, the entire team except for one bad apple. If shanahan were to cater to Haynesworth, I imagine that he'd lose the respect of other players and open himself up to more problems in the future. In this situation, there are only two possibilities - Haynesworth gets in line or the team gets rid of Haynesworth. We can't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i'd say by doing exactly what he's doing, Shanahan IS commanding the respect of the team. By standing his ground and not "letting the inmates run the asylum," shanahan is ensuring that the entire team is on the same page. well, the entire team except for one bad apple. If shanahan were to cater to Haynesworth, I imagine that he'd lose the respect of other players and open himself up to more problems in the future. In this situation, there are only two possibilities - Haynesworth gets in line or the team gets rid of Haynesworth. We can't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch.

By and large, you're right. I don't think there's a meaningful rift between Shanny, and any defensive player who has been kept on the roster.

I think it's safe to say that if he was here last year, we never sign Haynesworth/Hall. I don't really know too much more than that, as not feeling a player is worth $48 million in guaranteed money is different than thinking that he has to shape up if he ever wants to see the field on your watch. The distinction is critical.