Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I guess its just me as I have never really been very good at standing around watching people as they try to get something done and I usually jump right in. My thinking is the goverment have how many scientist, architects, developers, engineers, etc... so why not pick the best of them and have them down there trying to figure out a way to help stop this leak. The more people we have working on this problem the quicker we will get this thing shut down. Or we can just let BP use their limited amount of people and maybe wait another two months while they drill a new well. I do believe BP is trying their best but having more people working on a solution cannot hurt one thing. Hell they are allready on the pay roll so why not use them.

watched a news segment on the oil disaster the other night.

seems, like alot of us have said on here, the gov't has said they do not have the equipment or expertise to deal with an underwater oil eruption.

what i dont get and what the news touched on is, now that the oil is reaching the coast, why cant the gov't, private sector and local communities work to clean up and deal with the oil coming near the coast and let BP deal with the underwater situation?

they interviewed some locals who said they wish they could get the green light to start their own clean up project but, as of then, BP was in control of the coastal clean up as well and the communty couldnt take any action? that just doesnt sound right.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water. But that's the point was it necessasry to gamble the gul fo Mexico compared to the amount of oil received. The American people lose the gulf, we deserve to because we risked it so that for BP could profit and minimal affect on gas prices? Same trend, private businesses profit if it goes well and the public's suffers if it doesn't go well. Reminds me of the Iraq War mentality.

I guess you must walk everywhere, use candle power, no electricity, etc... wait you use a computer which uses power from oil. Those plastic parts are also a product from oil. If you feel so strong against drilling for oil then stop using products of oil.

[dmek25]

that's like saying you don't like big gov't, so don't use the police, or fire fighters. come on first. you ever mail any letters?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.

There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.

Just now logged back on. My answer to this question, is that BP has no sense of urgency because let's face it, they are the biggest oil company in the world. They answer to no one. and sadly this disaster is not going to make them sweat one drop. Here's why:

#1) They will recover any lost $$ relatively quickly when the price of oil goes back up.

#2) They have a cozy relationship with the US gov't.

#3) will their public image be hurt? Yes, but who cares because its not like BP is going to go out of business over this.

#4). The gov't is trying to pass a 33 cent tax per barrell of oil right now, to help "ease" cleanup costs. The taxpayers will pay this at the pump, which is essentially bailing out BP for their F**k Up.

I trust BP about as much as I trust the Gov't.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Just now logged back on. My answer to this question, is that BP has no sense of urgency because let's face it, they are the biggest oil company in the world. They answer to no one. and sadly this disaster is not going to make them sweat one drop. Here's why:

#1) They will recover any lost $$ relatively quickly when the price of oil goes back up.

#2) They have a cozy relationship with the US gov't.

#3) will their public image be hurt? Yes, but who cares because its not like BP is going to go out of business over this.

#4). The gov't is trying to pass a 33 cent tax per barrell of oil right now, to help "ease" cleanup costs. The taxpayers will pay this at the pump, which is essentially bailing out BP for their F**k Up.

I trust BP about as much as I trust the Gov't.

Look, I am not going to say I trust BP, and I certainly don't trust the Gov't. BUT, they are losing money due to this spill, will they still make a whole helluva lot, yes, but it's ridiculous to assume that BP sees any type of gain by letting this spill go on any longer than necessary. All 4 of your points have basic validity, but even with all of that, any company that has a major accident, is going to do what it can to get the accident site fixed and productive again.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Look, I am not going to say I trust BP, and I certainly don't trust the Gov't. BUT, they are losing money due to this spill, will they still make a whole helluva lot, yes, but it's ridiculous to assume that BP sees any type of gain by letting this spill go on any longer than necessary. All 4 of your points have basic validity, but even with all of that, any company that has a major accident, is going to do what it can to get the accident site fixed and productive again.

Let's defend BP ladies and gentlemen.

[over the mountain]

The idea that BP isnt doing everything in its power to stop the underwater oil eruption just flies in the face of reason and logic. If BP makes money off oil, why would they sit idlely by and allow billions (im guessing but the value of the oil lost will probably be in the billions) of dollars float away?

this disaster is a huge nightmare for BP. im guessing when this is all said and done, they will merge with another company and change their name.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

The idea that BP isnt doing everything in its power to stop the underwater oil eruption just flies in the face of reason and logic. If BP makes money off oil, why would they sit idlely by and allow billions (im guessing but the value of the oil lost will probably be in the billions) of dollars float away?

this disaster is a huge nightmare for BP. im guessing when this is all said and done, they will merge with another company and change their name.

Because its one mile beneath the sea. You act like corporations maek decisons based on logic. theya re steady trying to suck that oil up think about every attempt so far. No attempt to block the well just attempts to siphon.

[SolidSnake84]

The bottom line is that its been 34 days where basically nothing has been accomplished. That's unacceptable by any stretch of the imagination.

The answer is blatantly obvious. BP stands to lose nothing by delaying anything. Some half-assed attempt at fixing the spill will eventually work due to process of elimination, and then BP and the media will go all "yay for BP" because they fixed the mistake.

People as a whole are dumb and will forget that BP caused the spill, they will just be happy that BP fixed it. That in turn boosts the companies image and the oil industry as a whole.

Especially the poor people down in the gulf affected areas. They will care 2 shits about it once the BP checks start rolling in. There are legitimate people who are suffering and deserve the aid checks, but bet your last bottom dollar that both BP and the government are looking at ways to profitize this somehow.

Did anyone pay attention about the 33 cent per barrel tax? WE WILL PAY HIGHER PRICES AT THE PUMPS. That tax will pay for BP to keep cleaning the spill, so they don't absorb all of the cost from their own money. Gov't and Oil companies go hand in hand, and when we start paying much more at the pump, their profits go up again. And if you don't believe me about the tax look it up. Obama is trying to push it as we speak and they could vote it into law by the end of next week!

[CRedskinsRule]

Where has critical thinking and reason gone in the days of the internet? It truly saddens me that nearly all political dialogue is now so full of ideology, and lacks alot of semblance of rational thought.

JTF - I defended both the gov't (which is a rarity for me) and BP. An accident of this magnitude is not easily managed, and both parties are in fact trying to get control of it.

SS84 - Crude sells at about $80 a barrel right now. 33 cents on $80, is a blip and if it helps clean the environment then it's probably worth it. Every human depends on oil for many various things, a 33 cent per barrel increase ain't gonna kill us. Of course they won't limit it, and the government in the end will collect far more than the clean up cost but still lets not act like the 33cents is an inordinate burden. Of course we will end up paying for it. BP is going to raise prices to cover their operating costs, and maintain the profits their investors expect.

For any other knee jerkers out there: An Introduction to Critical Thinking

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Because its one mile beneath the sea. You act like corporations maek decisons based on logic. theya re steady trying to suck that oil up think about every attempt so far. No attempt to block the well just attempts to siphon.

What has BP or the gov't said in response to this? is there a good reason why they wouldnt want to try and block the hole? idk but maybe blocking the hole could make things worse.

i not nearly as up to date on this, but has anyone heard or read a reason why, so far, the curative attempts dont include blocking the leak?

ill look it up.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

The bottom line is that its been 34 days where basically nothing has been accomplished. That's unacceptable by any stretch of the imagination.

The answer is blatantly obvious. BP stands to lose nothing by delaying anything. Some half-assed attempt at fixing the spill will eventually work due to process of elimination, and then BP and the media will go all "yay for BP" because they fixed the mistake.

People as a whole are dumb and will forget that BP caused the spill, they will just be happy that BP fixed it. That in turn boosts the companies image and the oil industry as a whole.

Especially the poor people down in the gulf affected areas. They will care 2 shits about it once the BP checks start rolling in. There are legitimate people who are suffering and deserve the aid checks, but bet your last bottom dollar that both BP and the government are looking at ways to profitize this somehow.

Did anyone pay attention about the 33 cent per barrel tax? WE WILL PAY HIGHER PRICES AT THE PUMPS. That tax will pay for BP to keep cleaning the spill, so they don't absorb all of the cost from their own money. Gov't and Oil companies go hand in hand, and when we start paying much more at the pump, their profits go up again. And if you don't believe me about the tax look it up. Obama is trying to push it as we speak and they could vote it into law by the end of next week!

This is going to look biblical when it's over. Those dispersants are killing everything it comes in contact with. Any industry that controls the life blood of all the country should be under governemnt control in my opnion. When you have 300 million peopl dependant on a business owned by 3 corporations, the coproporation take on a role simiilar to government.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Where has critical thinking and reason gone in the days of the internet? It truly saddens me that nearly all political dialogue is now so full of ideology, and lacks alot of semblance of rational thought.

JTF - I defended both the gov't (which is a rarity for me) and BP. An accident of this magnitude is not easily managed, and both parties are in fact trying to get control of it.

SS84 - Crude sells at about $80 a barrel right now. 33 cents on $80, is a blip and if it helps clean the environment then it's probably worth it. Every human depends on oil for many various things, a 33 cent per barrel increase ain't gonna kill us. Of course they won't limit it, and the government in the end will collect far more than the clean up cost but still lets not act like the 33cents is an inordinate burden. Of course we will end up paying for it. BP is going to raise prices to cover their operating costs, and maintain the profits their investors expect.

For any other knee jerkers out there: An Introduction to Critical Thinking

I agree with your comments to me. I feel though, that making US pay for something we didn't bring on ourselves is wrong. BP should pay for this in full, all of the cleanup costs, and the aftermath. And if it kills them as a company, then so be it.

The American people have suffered from this enough. We shouldnt have to pay 1 cent for something they did.

[over the mountain]

BP unveils fifth strategy to plug Gulf of Mexico oil leak - Business News, Business - The Independent

i googled "why hasnt BP tried to block oil leak" and came up with a zillion articles re. BP's efforts to block/plug the oil leak.

the one above i read, it covers the steps and attempts BP has taken so far. its from england and glosses over things but im sure an inquiring mind could read more detailed articles re. their efforts to plug the hole.

So,the idea that BP hasnt tried to plug or block the hole is far from the truth it seems.

[MTK]

I think it's safe to say everyone involved has a strong interest in getting the leak fixed sooner rather than later. The idea that BP isn't losing anything or will quickly recoup the costs of this is ridiculous.

I heard the latest idea for a fix is to shoot Rush Limbaugh into the leak. He should have no problem plugging it up.