Positive remark on McNabb

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Buster

We'll see if the choke artist was Reid or McNabb this year.

Just remember, I did disagree with him on the later part of the statement.

I keep thinking of the Steelers and Bill Cowher. They stuck with him, and he eventually got them the prize.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Just remember, I did disagree with him on the later part of the statement.

I keep thinking of the Steelers and Bill Cowher. They stuck with him, and he eventually got them the prize.

He got them the prize when he finally found a QB that could get the job done. Cowher wasnt the problem, Kordell Stewart was.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by irish

He got them the prize when he finally found a QB that could get the job done. Cowher wasnt the problem, Kordell Stewart was.

I am the rare Steeler fan who will disagree with you on Stewart. Just remember how many AFC Championship games he got them to. You could have said the same thing about a lot of QBs who are considered very good.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Recently I did an event with someone who has been with the Eagles for decades. We talked about the McNabb deal and we both agreed it was a win-win for both teams since McNabb is a massive upgrade from Campbell.

Where we disagreed was this person with the Eagles felt that McNabb has in the past, and would probably continue to always choke in the big games.

There's a need in place now to see McNabb dispel that label. His greatest asset here will be to finally have a consistent running game. If that's not the cure, then there is none.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

There's a need in place now to see McNabb dispel that label. His greatest asset here will be to finally have a consistent running game. If that's not the cure, then there is none.

There are certain types of fans and media who say that about any player that gets there and doesn't win.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by 30gut

There are certain types of fans and media say that about any player that gets there and doesn't win.

In the Super Bowl era, McNabb is the most successful QB the Eagles have ever had. His record blows the pants off of Jaws, Cunningham etc.

[scowan]

I think McNabb will be fine. I worry more about the injuries this team has always had in the past few years. Portis gets hurt a lot now, so does/did our OL. Can our young WRs step up and really contribute, and can we score more than 17 points a game? Those are my questions.

McNabb is not what I worry about.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

I was reading this article on ESPN about pressuring the quarterback and there was a quick remark about McNabb doing well against pressure.

"There are those rare quarterbacks, like Aaron Rodgers, Donovan McNabb and Ben Roethlisberger, who produce well when under that kind of pressure, but the average stats tell the value of the hurry."

Everyone has been talking about how poor the offensive line will be, but at least there are some remarks about how McNabb performs under pressure.

Elvis Dumervil, Tamba Hali need help on the hurry front - ESPN

Personally I'm not a McNabb fan. Reason being that I feel he is getting old and seems to get hurt each yr. He's also not the runner he used to be. McNabb used to be good at eluding the rush and either getting the ball out or running for the first down. McNabb is older and not as agile. When I heard we picked him up I was "oh heck no." But having heard how Shanahan worked with Elway while in his 30's and remembering that most of Shanahan's play calls (pass wise) have the QB rolling out to help avoid the rush, I think now we will be ok.

I also felt our OL was kinda small for Buges man-to-man style of play. On top of that I don't think Buges was ever fond of or excellent at teaching zone blocking. Combine this with Zorn's crappy scheme and you can see why we had failure.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Personally I'm not a McNabb fan. Reason being that I feel he is getting old and seems to get hurt each yr. He's also not the runner he used to be. McNabb used to be good at eluding the rush and either getting the ball out or running for the first down. McNabb is older and not as agile. When I heard we picked him up I was "oh heck no." But having heard how Shanahan worked with Elway while in his 30's and remembering that most of Shanahan's play calls (pass wise) have the QB rolling out to help avoid the rush, I think now we will be ok.

I also felt our OL was kinda small for Buges man-to-man style of play. On top of that I don't think Buges was ever fond of or excellent at teaching zone blocking. Combine this with Zorn's crappy scheme and you can see why we had failure.

McNabb had to stop running so much. Coaches wanted him to be known as a passer. You miss reads when you run. IMO a first down is a first down. Okay coach what's your next play, on that one I had to run and get the first down right quick. Zorn would go balistic if Campbell ran and there was an open receiver. I'm like get over yourself and you so-called scheme Zorn, we are not getting first downs your way.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

McNabb had to stop running so much. Coaches wanted him to be known as a passer. You miss reads when you run. IMO a first down is a first down. Okay coach what's your next play, on that one I had to run and get the first down right quick. Zorn would go balistic if Campbell ran and there was an open receiver. I'm like get over yourself and you so-called scheme Zorn, we are not getting first downs your way.

I think Gibbs always had him figured out though. Keep McNabb contained and collapse the pocket. McNabb was only a major threat when he ran or rolled out of the pocket cause he was awsome at hitting passing ont he run. I think he will do well in Shanahan's offensive scheme due to the roll outs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

McNabb had to stop running so much. Coaches wanted him to be known as a passer. You miss reads when you run. IMO a first down is a first down. Okay coach what's your next play, on that one I had to run and get the first down right quick. Zorn would go balistic if Campbell ran and there was an open receiver. I'm like get over yourself and you so-called scheme Zorn, we are not getting first downs your way.

Yeah good point. He didn't lose the ability to scramble as much as he turned himself into more of a passer than runner. He's still able to get out of the pocket when needed and he's not easy to sack.

[CRedskinsRule]

One reason depth was always such a major weakness for our line was that we had 2-3 veterans who we knew would miss games on a regular basis(Samuels, Jansen, etc.) so we always needed a backup in along the line. In the same span, the Giants line went 3 seasons without an injury. I hope that now that the line is substantial younger we will not be relying on backups all the time.

I am not arguing that backups are not important, only that we hopefully won't rely on them nearly as much.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One reason depth was always such a major weakness for our line was that we had 2-3 veterans who we knew would miss games on a regular basis(Samuels, Jansen, etc.) so we always needed a backup in along the line. In the same span, the Giants line went 3 seasons without an injury. I hope that now that the line is substantial younger we will not be relying on backups all the time.

I am not arguing that backups are not important, only that we hopefully won't rely on them nearly as much.

Interesting, then, that the two guys who kept their jobs on the OL from last year were not really our best performers, but rather, the two guys who managed to start 16 games each next to each other.

There's probably something to that, I would think.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One reason depth was always such a major weakness for our line was that we had 2-3 veterans who we knew would miss games on a regular basis(Samuels, Jansen, etc.) so we always needed a backup in along the line. In the same span, the Giants line went 3 seasons without an injury. I hope that now that the line is substantial younger we will not be relying on backups all the time.

I am not arguing that backups are not important, only that we hopefully won't rely on them nearly as much.

A gang of undrafted free agents for guys who we knew were going to be injured shows the type of football acumen our old front office had when it came to depth. I think its pretty important when i comes to both lines...right now the depth at the same ole spot (both tackles) is where i worry. Would LOVE to see Capers emerge, and what I heard about Heyer this offseason is not good...Right side of Oline is questionable at this point, but hey whats new? Hopefully scheme will help

[SolidSnake84]

Zorn sure did suck as a play caller. I mean i know we've had bad teams before but my god was that man pathetic.

Couldn't ask for a nicer guy, but he wasn't cut out to be a head coach, let alone playcaller.