WP: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i thought reid and JLC were just making all those rumors up. i guess all those reports were true after all...

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i thought reid and JLC were just making all those rumors up. i guess all those reports were true after all...

"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. "

This is a bad dream, hopefully...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. "

This is a bad dream, hopefully...

That saying would apply if Reid and JLC were just making stuff up and one of their fabricated stories just happened to be true. However, it doesnt jive with reality. Reality is that JLC had actual SOURCES telling him Haynesworth was unhappy and wanted to be traded. Now, the majority here chose to stick their head in the sand and foolishly pretend that these were just rumors and the sources were crap. They foolishly chose to believe what Haynesworth, whose teammates refer to him as an "actor," said instead - even though anyone with any sense at all recognized that Haynesworth would be saying the exact same things whether or not he wanted to be traded or not. Hopefully, in the future, people will learn from this and not discredit JLC simply because they don't like what he has to say.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That saying would apply if Reid and JLC were just making stuff up and one of their fabricated stories just happened to be true. However, it doesnt jive with reality. Reality is that JLC had actual SOURCES telling him Haynesworth was unhappy and wanted to be traded. Now, the majority here chose to stick their head in the sand and foolishly pretend that these were just rumors and the sources were crap. They foolishly chose to believe what Haynesworth, whose teammates refer to him as an "actor," said instead - even though anyone with any sense at all recognized that Haynesworth would be saying the exact same things whether or not he wanted to be traded or not. Hopefully, in the future, people will learn from this and not discredit JLC simply because they don't like what he has to say.

See I hate people like you that like to rub the "I told you so" in people's faces. Great, you get a cookie, but this whole situation is still bad for the team period. Maybe these news made your day and you get to boast how right you were, still this does nothing to improve the Redskins.

On a related note, I'm torn on what the team should do. Part of me wants this guy out of here and like someone said, cut our losses and get rid of him (personally, I wish this could have happened before the draft). We don't need this f'ing circus around us, because that's what it will be.

But I would appreciate him getting fined everyday he's not at camp and well into the regular season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That saying would apply if Reid and JLC were just making stuff up and one of their fabricated stories just happened to be true. However, it doesnt jive with reality. Reality is that JLC had actual SOURCES telling him Haynesworth was unhappy and wanted to be traded. Now, the majority here chose to stick their head in the sand and foolishly pretend that these were just rumors and the sources were crap. They foolishly chose to believe what Haynesworth, whose teammates refer to him as an "actor," said instead - even though anyone with any sense at all recognized that Haynesworth would be saying the exact same things whether or not he wanted to be traded or not. Hopefully, in the future, people will learn from this and not discredit JLC simply because they don't like what he has to say.

Haynesworth's unhappiness was never in dispute.

The 'facts' around the case, i.e. the Redskins actively trying to trade him during the draft was what had been completely fabricated.

He also wasn't an "active" malcontent, and probably still isn't. Haynesworth wasn't taking his case to the media...the media was taking their case to Haynesworth. We shouldn't lose sight of how this all unfolded.

Now: his agent has requested a trade -- one that he's not going to get -- in order to speed of the process of getting Haynesworth out of here. I don't like it at all, but it's hardly a code red situation. It's just a selfish, dick move considering the financial circumstances. It's a slap in Snyder's face more than it's intended target, which is Shanahan.

[Kope]

London Fletcher is the Man. Shanny is the Man. I am so happy to see real acountability @ Redskins Park

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Now: his agent has requested a trade -- one that he's not going to get -- in order to speed of the process of getting Haynesworth out of here. I don't like it at all, but it's hardly a code red situation. It's just a selfish, dick move considering the financial circumstances. It's a slap in Snyder's face more than it's intended target, which is Shanahan.

It's a code red when a team captain and leader of the defense says this publicly regarding AH: "At the end of the day, right now, he's shown that he can't be depended upon."

Will the rest of the team play with him if they have to, of course. Will the team chemistry be a big problem, of course. If AH comes back because of money, how can any of his teammates know he's giving his best effort? A good team can't have players questioning each other's level of effort.

This SOB got a 8 figure check, STFU and get on the field and play. If he wants out, give back the money and get the F out of dodge.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That saying would apply if Reid and JLC were just making stuff up and one of their fabricated stories just happened to be true. However, it doesnt jive with reality. Reality is that JLC had actual SOURCES telling him Haynesworth was unhappy and wanted to be traded. Now, the majority here chose to stick their head in the sand and foolishly pretend that these were just rumors and the sources were crap. They foolishly chose to believe what Haynesworth, whose teammates refer to him as an "actor," said instead - even though anyone with any sense at all recognized that Haynesworth would be saying the exact same things whether or not he wanted to be traded or not. Hopefully, in the future, people will learn from this and not discredit JLC simply because they don't like what he has to say.

Everybody new AH was disgruntled that was no secret. The "rumours" were that the 'Skins were actively attempting to trade AH. JLC consistently indicated that the front office was attempting to trade Haynesworth. In light of Shanny's statements, JLC was either simply wrong or making intentionally deceptive reports. I find Shanny's statements credible as they seem consistent with his personality and with the FO's attempt to reign in attempts by players to run the team.

JLC's multiple reports that the Skins were trying to trade AH were clearly coming from team reports that AH's agent had contacted the teams. Unable to verify from the source, JLC simply created the "fact" that the Skins were seeking a trade.

Your consistent beef was that the front office mishandled things b/c they let everybody know they wanted to trade AH. Apparently, not so much.

JLC is a rumour mongering little nudge w/ an ax to grind against Snyder. Regardless of his sources, when it comes to the Skins, he is going to spin it his way - damn the facts.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i thought reid and JLC were just making all those rumors up. i guess all those reports were true after all...

Those were blind guesses. This is a descision made recently by the Haynesworth camp. I've heard: within the last 48 hours. It might not be THAT recent, but certainly, not before the draft. That's just not accurate.

If anything, we have two enabling parties in what is now actually a story:

1. the media, the Washington Post in particular, who created such a sustained negative backlash around Haynesworth that there's diminishing negative returns here with the backlash for this (substantial) decision.
2. the contract by Cerrato, which essentially (as I noted right when it was signed) traded any leverage the team had with the player to the player within 13 months of it being signed. It's nearly impossible to recoup a significant portion of the contract. We can get $4 million in pro-rated bonus money back, but -- aside from fines levied on him -- we can't touch the $20 million we payed out in March, nor can we touch the $1 million portion SB that was accrued and recognized on the books in 2009, nor his 2009 salary. That's something like $25 million that Haynesworth gets just for playing those 16 games.

He leaves another $17 million or so on the table in the next two years by not reporting at all this year, if he chooses to do so, and that's like half of his guaranteed money, so it's substantial. But $25 million for 16 games was made possible by the leverage Cerrato extended to get him (which was a risk known at the time, not necessarily a reasonable expectation of failure), was probably necessary to get him in the fold, and the media was already railing on him for essentially doing nothing wrong (which is fact), so it's really no skin off his back to not honor his contract if he doesn't feel like it.

Complete dick move by the Haynesworth camp, but the timing of the decision leads me to believe that level heads will, at some point, prevail.

The above is why you have his teammates going off on him now, and not before when he wasn't doing anything wrong, despite reports.