Utah killer executed by firing squad

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Lotus

"An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind." - Gandhi

What does that even mean? Seriously, that's so contrived.

I think of it as a right for a right. You take away someone else's right to live, then you lose your own. Fair's fair.

I'm not a fan of forgiving murderers.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What does that even mean? Seriously, that's so contrived.

I think of it as a right for a right. You take away someone else's right to live, then you lose your own. Fair's fair.

I'm not a fan of forgiving murderers.

No one here has argued for forgiving murderers. Keeping someone in jail for life in maximum security is not forgiveness.

As far as the Gandhi quote goes, what is means is that the "eye-for-an-eye" philosophy which you espouse only leads to a downward spiral of violence.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No one here has argued for forgiving murderers. Keeping someone in jail for life in maximum security is not forgiveness.

As far as the Gandhi quote goes, what is means is that the "eye-for-an-eye" philosophy which you espouse only leads to a downward spiral of violence.

Not really. Murderer kills someone, gets convicted and sentenced to death, He is then killed. Spiral over.

And many of those sentenced to death have committed multiple murders, so eliminating them actually stops the spiral of violence.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Not really. Murderer kills someone, gets convicted and sentenced to death, He is then killed. Spiral over.

And many of those sentenced to death have committed multiple murders, so eliminating them actually stops the spiral of violence.

Even though the State kills murderers, more murderers will come. Spiral on.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Even though the State kills murderers, more murderers will come. Spiral on.

They'll come whether we kill them or not, therefore it's not a spiral.

Executing a killer does not make more people say you know what, I want to become a serial killer because I don't like that they executed that guy.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

They'll come whether we kill them or not, therefore it's not a spiral.

Executing a killer does not make more people say you know what, I want to become a serial killer because I don't like that they executed that guy.

You forget that condoning executions creates a culture of killing. Spiral on.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You forget that condoning executions creates a culture of killing. Spiral on.

Only if the execution is seen as unjust. Otherwise, and IMHO, a society's just killing is the ultimate condemnation of the murderer.

"Revenge shall be mine sayeth the Lord" but "Give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's". We have the right to govern and decide justice amongst ourselves.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You forget that condoning executions creates a culture of killing. Spiral on.

I don't recall any murders related to, or in retaliation of, a court ordered death sentence.

On a scale of 0 to 10 for a culture of killing, with a 0 being raising/nurturing baby bunnies and 10 being an MS-13 member at age 11, the death sentence is about a .01 in terms of contributing to a "culture of killing".

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You forget that condoning executions creates a culture of killing. Spiral on.

When this thing goes down you might have to change your point of view. If not you'll be fodder.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No one here has argued for forgiving murderers. Keeping someone in jail for life in maximum security is not forgiveness.

As far as the Gandhi quote goes, what is means is that the "eye-for-an-eye" philosophy which you espouse only leads to a downward spiral of violence.

I don't have a problem with "violence" (wrong term here) when it's designed to achieve something for the greater good.

Historical violence I'm in favor of:

- US Declaration of Independence and the subsequent Revolutionary War that resulted in the establishment of our nation in the name of freeing ourselves from England's oppressive rule

- Northern aggression that kept the United States together as the southern states seceded from the union in the 1800s.

- US retaliation for the bombing of Pearl Harbor and our subsequent response in the Pacific and against the Nazis.

- Beating up that punk ass bully who pantsed my little brother every day for 6 days in a row.

When it comes down to it, killing people who murdered others makes me feel good. I'd be one of the folks sitting in the front row cheering as he went out.

I don't believe in God or any higher power. I believe man is the ultimate rule of law, and as such ye shall reap what ye sow.