What's up with the cops these days?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Yeah I remember this one time this woman adjusted her walker and one of the tennis balls got a few inches closer to me so I clotheslined her. Maybe read the article.

Maybe read the police report.

Dallas.Org: El Reno Police - Report on Lona Varner

Compare it to the civil complaint.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/24/TaserGranny

The heart of it is that, according to the police, the granny was apparently an elderly woman who had gone "off her meds", was delusional, was weilding a "ktichen knife", and threatening to kill anyone who came near her including, apparently, her grandson.

Not saying they acted correctly or incorrectly - but it sounds like, if the police report is wrong, there will be plenty of evidence to contradict them (they apparently have the knife as evidence - let's see what we're talking about here). Also, I don't know, but I can see a situation where a crazy lady weilding large (if it was) kitchen knife might present a problem for paramedics so the cops had to disable her somehow. Was a taser appropriate? I don't know; I wasn't there. Neither was anyone else here.

Perhaps, just perhaps, its a little hyperbole by those seeking to argue that govt. is out of control or those with an agenda against police. They are easy targets for the both the right and the left.

Again, I am not saying the cops acted correctly, just that it may not be so cut and dry as some would like to make it.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Maybe read the police report.

Dallas.Org: El Reno Police - Report on Lona Varner

Compare it to the civil complaint.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/24/TaserGranny

The heart of it is that, according to the police, the granny was apparently an elderly woman who had gone "off her meds", was delusional, was weilding a "ktichen knife", and threatening to kill anyone who came near her including, apparently, her grandson.

Not saying they acted correctly or incorrectly - but it sounds like, if the police report is wrong, there will be plenty of evidence to contradict them (they apparently have the knife as evidence - let's see what we're talking about here). Also, I don't know, but I can see a situation where a crazy lady weilding large (if it was) kitchen knife might present a problem for paramedics so the cops had to disable her somehow. Was a taser appropriate? I don't know; I wasn't there. Neither was anyone else here.

Perhaps, just perhaps, its a little hyperbole by those seeking to argue that govt. is out of control or those with an agenda against police. They are easy targets for the both the right and the left.

Again, I am not saying the cops acted correctly, just that it may not be so cut and dry as some would like to make it.

This is a very intelligent post. +5.

Even if the lady was 86, she was crazy, off medication, and weilding a deadly weapon that she could have used against herself, paramedics, officers, and her grandson.

People say the taser is too violent?? What else could they do to an 86 year old lady with a knife...pepper spray her? punch her in the face? shoot her with a bean bag gun?

One of the things I hate about society, is that we have a concept that above or below a certain age, it's okay to blantantly break the law.

I get tired of hearing the elderly defended. As some of you know on here that know me, my good friend was killed last spring when he was T-boned by an 88 year old man who turned into his driveway and didn't look.

The man faced no charges, because of his age. Take me for example. I'm 25 and if I would have killed somebody with my car, i would be going to jail. But not the elderly, because they get the excuse that "They don't know what they are doing"

If I was the cop i would have tazed her too. And if she tried to stab me or swipe at me with that knife, i would have blown her away.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Maybe read the police report.

Dallas.Org: El Reno Police - Report on Lona Varner

Compare it to the civil complaint.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/24/TaserGranny

The heart of it is that, according to the police, the granny was apparently an elderly woman who had gone "off her meds", was delusional, was weilding a "ktichen knife", and threatening to kill anyone who came near her including, apparently, her grandson.

Not saying they acted correctly or incorrectly - but it sounds like, if the police report is wrong, there will be plenty of evidence to contradict them (they apparently have the knife as evidence - let's see what we're talking about here). Also, I don't know, but I can see a situation where a crazy lady weilding large (if it was) kitchen knife might present a problem for paramedics so the cops had to disable her somehow. Was a taser appropriate? I don't know; I wasn't there. Neither was anyone else here.

Perhaps, just perhaps, its a little hyperbole by those seeking to argue that govt. is out of control or those with an agenda against police. They are easy targets for the both the right and the left.

Again, I am not saying the cops acted correctly, just that it may not be so cut and dry as some would like to make it.

It wasn't linked or else I would've taken that into account. Pretty big evidence to have been left out of the original article.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

It wasn't linked or else I would've taken that into account. Pretty big evidence to have been left out of the original article.

It took me 5 minutes to find the link. Rather than question something that seemed outrageous on its face, you just bought the agenda you wanted to believe and then accuse someone else of not having their facts straight.

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Yeah I remember this one time this woman adjusted her walker and one of the tennis balls got a few inches closer to me so I clotheslined her. Maybe read the article.

Way to avoid critical thinking. Welcome to the sheep nation.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It took me 5 minutes to find the link. Rather than question something that seemed outrageous on its face, you just bought the agenda you wanted to believe and then accuse someone else of not having their facts straight.



Way to avoid critical thinking. Welcome to the sheep nation.

Ahh you know me all so well.

Look, had this been something that I was deeply concerned with (the particular situation) yeah I would've taken the time to look more into the situation. I took the irresponsible reporting at face value and rescinded my previous statement for the most part. This is somewhere that I come for fun and to shoot the shit, not debate club. I don't know if you have your differences with me because of some of the other political/society threads or what but I don't take it that seriously.

[InsaneBoost]

You really can't say the cops these days, they are just upholding the laws we put in place.