Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

[bigSkinsfan61]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Do not trade for him please!
We can't keep giving away all of our picks for players. This is the same shit we have been doing for the last 10 years. Why haven't you people learned yet. We are going to have to give up at least a first round pick, or two 2nds like the Marshall trade, he wants at least as much money as Marshall, and he is nowhere near as good as Marshall. He is not even the number one target on the Chargers, Antonio Gates is. His best year was last year and he only had 68 catches.

We are not one player away from the Super Bowl like some of you people think for some reason. We need to start getting younger by getting 22 year old rookies, not guys that are almost 30 looking for a big pay day. The only way to build a Super Bowl team is over many years through the draft.

hey read this nuff said

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Do not trade for him please!
We can't keep giving away all of our picks for players. This is the same shit we have been doing for the last 10 years. Why haven't you people learned yet. We are going to have to give up at least a first round pick, or two 2nds like the Marshall trade, he wants at least as much money as Marshall, and he is nowhere near as good as Marshall. He is not even the number one target on the Chargers, Antonio Gates is. His best year was last year and he only had 68 catches.

We are not one player away from the Super Bowl like some of you people think for some reason. We need to start getting younger by getting 22 year old rookies, not guys that are almost 30 looking for a big pay day. The only way to build a Super Bowl team is over many years through the draft.

I agree with everything you just said, but one thing to add......................we just drafted two guys in the second round in Kelly and Thomas. This would be their first year playing in a real NFL Offense, not a flawed one that Zorn had. Lets see what they can do in a real offense. We should give them a chance and not just say, "Bye" after getting nothing out of them. We drafted these guys lets just see what they can do.

[MTK]

Sure he "only" had 68 catches last year, but let's not overlook the fact that Gates has always been Rivers' favorite target, he had 79 catches last year. And then Floyd and Sproles each had 45. San Diego spreads it around.

Bottom line is Jackson stretches the field. He averaged 17.2 per catch last year and 18.6 the year before. Oh and add in 16 TD catches the last 2 years.

He's huge, 6'5 230, and in his prime at 27.

I would have zero issues if the Skins go after him. Will it happen? Who knows, seems that the price would be steep. But the Skins would be dumb to not at least explore the option.

[jamf]

I think he will be the next Alvin Harper. I hope we stay away.

He has quieted down this offseason but last season he was all talk. He thinks he is Marshall and is constantly trying to hype imself.

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Sure he "only" had 68 catches last year, but let's not overlook the fact that Gates has always been Rivers' favorite target, he had 79 catches last year. And then Floyd and Sproles each had 45. San Diego spreads it around.

Bottom line is Jackson stretches the field. He averaged 17.2 per catch last year and 18.6 the year before. Oh and add in 16 TD catches the last 2 years.

He's huge, 6'5 230, and in his prime at 27.

I would have zero issues if the Skins go after him. Will it happen? Who knows, seems that the price would be steep. But the Skins would be dumb to not at least explore the option.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jamf

I think he will be the next Alvin Harper. I hope we stay away.

He has quieted down this offseason but last season he was all talk. He thinks he is Marshall and is constantly trying to hype imself.

Harper never came close to putting up the kind of numbers Jackson has.

I agree he's probably not worth the trouble. The more I read about him the more I tend to lean on the side of staying away from him. Sounds like he's probably facing a suspension to start the season too. Still, the guy is very talented. I don't really understand people hating on his game.

[CultBrennan59]

Do I like Vincent Jackson? Yes
Do I want him on the Redskins? Yes
Would I trade a second round pick or two, and/or Santana Moss, and/or Malcolm Kelly for him? Yes

Would I trade a first or Devin Thomas for him? No

so there figure something out Shanahan and Bruce Allen

[GMScud]

If we're gonna trade anything for VJ, I hope it's players and not picks. I'm sooooo tired of shipping off draft picks. Plus Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas have been playing in a shitshow offense their first two years. Let's lean on them, Moss, and our two stud tight ends and see what happens with a pro-bowl qb that actually has a line for some protection. This reeks of a "player away" type of deal. That club isn't in our bag. At least it shouldn't be.

[SkinzWin]

I say Shanny trades Kelly and a 2nd in 2012 for VJ. They seem to have no problem with trading future picks. That way the Chargers get an immediate return for a project WR they can work with, and a decent future pick.

[skinsfaninok]

GMScud I agree with you on trading our picks, but I don't see anyway we can land Jackson without giving them atleast a 2nd rounder. Id like to give Kelly and Thomas one more year but as I've said since day 1.. I trust Allen/shanny running this team. They are both proven winners in this league.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

GMScud I agree with you on trading our picks, but I don't see anyway we can land Jackson without giving them atleast a 2nd rounder. Id like to give Kelly and Thomas one more year but as I've said since day 1.. I trust Allen/shanny running this team. They are both proven winners in this league.

Exactly. Which is why I say we pass if they insist on pick(s) that high. Vincent Jackson isn't the piece that's taking us to the promised land, plus he has pending legal issues. He's a physical specimen and a damn good receiver, but not worth a pick that high to us.

VJ had 27 catches in his 2nd year (Devin Thomas had 25), and 41 in his third, and that was in an offense that had LT running the ball and Philip Rivers throwing it. And all of his first three years were in the same system. How's about we let Moss do his thing, Kelly and Thomas continue to grow for another season, see how some two TE sets look like with Cooley and Davis, all the while McNabb is slinging it. I'd take this scenario over dealing a 2nd rounder or higher for VJ.

I wouldn't be opposed to a trade involving swapping players, but I doubt that would happen without us also throwing in a draft pick or two, in addition to SD attaching some lower round picks to VJ in the move. So then my question becomes, at what point do you stop sacrificing future picks/current chemistry for names? In the case of this Vincent Jackson speculation, I would say hold your ground and work hard with what you have.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I say Shanny trades Kelly and a 2nd in 2012 for VJ. They seem to have no problem with trading future picks. That way the Chargers get an immediate return for a project WR they can work with, and a decent future pick.

Ummmmmms, so Malcolm Kelly is considered immediate return??? LOL!!!!!! I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

Talking with a sports writer from the augusta chronicle who has friends in the DC area, he told me not to be surprised if we trade next years 2nd and 3rd along with A. Carter for the guy. I don't know if that is valid speculation, or just speculation.......

[SmootSmack]

I haven't heard of this being anything more than standard inquiry

[vallin21]

I would definetely look into this, but IMO he's not worth giving up our 1st. If San Diego's willing to take our 2nd and Kelly go for it, but a 1st for him is a bit too much. The only reason I'd make this deal is that Jackson is a proven WR in his prime whereas a 1st round WR next yr is an unknown. He's a huge target with some speed, but our track record for getting players who produce when they come here sucks. It'd be a gamble to expect the same production he had in SD. BTW he's gonna be suspended 4 games for his 2nd DUI, so he's also an off field problem.

[skinsfan69]

Problem is this move is going to cost us our #1 next year and there is no way I make that deal. Gotta keep our first two picks next year.

[ethat001]

Would love Vincent Jackson, but the price appears to be too steep. I doubt Shanny does this, for the simple fact that -- by talking about it in the media, the trade price has already gone up.

Every other deal was somewhat a surprise to fans, and they bought low (McNabb - somewhat out of blue, Brown - waited 5-6 months, Parker/Johnson, etc). Vincent Jackson, like Brandon Marshall and Julius Peppers -- all have a common theme. All were talked about in the media more than Shanny actually gave it any consideration. I bet Shanny's in the film room right now with his son, laughing at all the speculation.

My guess is -- any deals that go down, he's not going to let us know about it beforehand.