Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

[over the mountain]

Anyone else getting the feeling that McNabb's window of time left before he starts to noticeably decline (2-3 years) is the window allen and shanny want to win a SB?

Just seems like we are in a win now or next year mode.

top 10 defense? check
Getting a franchise qb? check
Getting a LT and RT? check
Getting a true no. 1 receiver to reap the benefits of having a franchise qb and competent O line? TBD.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Anyone else getting the feeling that McNabb's window of time left before he starts to noticeably decline (2-3 years) is the window allen and shanny want to win a SB?

Just seems like we are in a win now or next year mode.

top 10 defense? check
Getting a franchise qb? check
Getting a LT and RT? check
Getting a true no. 1 receiver to reap the benefits of having a franchise qb and competent O line? TBD.

Shanhan won SB's in Denver with and 8th round WR and undrafted WR.
I see your point about McNabb....but I think our looking at WR's right now is more about Shannahan not happy with what we currently have at WR than that we need to win now because McNabb is older. They are exploring the diffrent options and cost to improve our WR corp that he is clearly not happy with yet.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Shanhan won SB's in Denver with and 8th round WR and undrafted WR.
I see your point about McNabb....but I think our looking at WR's right now is more about Shannahan not happy with what we currently have at WR than that we need to win now because McNabb is older. They are exploring the diffrent options and cost to improve our WR corp that he is clearly not happy with yet.

He also had one of the best QB in NFL history.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Anyone else getting the feeling that McNabb's window of time left before he starts to noticeably decline (2-3 years) is the window allen and shanny want to win a SB?

Just seems like we are in a win now or next year mode.

top 10 defense? check
Getting a franchise qb? check
Getting a LT and RT? check
Getting a true no. 1 receiver to reap the benefits of having a franchise qb and competent O line? TBD.

I think it's safe to say the plan from the very beginning with McNabb involved a 3 year window to try to win it all. You don't bring in a 33 year old QB with plans on rebuilding, that's for sure.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think it's safe to say the plan from the very beginning with McNabb involved a 3 year window to try to win it all. You don't bring in a 33 year old QB with plans on rebuilding, that's for sure.

Completely agree. Just hope we can protect him, thats all......

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think it's safe to say the plan from the very beginning with McNabb involved a 3 year window to try to win it all. You don't bring in a 33 year old QB with plans on rebuilding, that's for sure.

I agree that there's likely a window Shanny/Allen are working with, however despite said window, they still need to find a good balance with an influx of youth as well.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Anyone else getting the feeling that McNabb's window of time left before he starts to noticeably decline (2-3 years) is the window allen and shanny want to win a SB?

Just seems like we are in a win now or next year mode.

top 10 defense? check
Getting a franchise qb? check
Getting a LT and RT? check
Getting a true no. 1 receiver to reap the benefits of having a franchise qb and competent O line? TBD.

Seems like you just went down the list of the moves we have made this year. I've got some additions/changes...

top 10 defense? no idea b/c this group w/ the 3-4 is untested
franchise qb? no b/c McNabb is not the long term answer
Getting a LT and RT? yeah, we acquired a LT and RT. One is coming off a major injury and is changing positions, the other is a rookie who wasn't the top ranked tackle in the draft
Solid RB core? No, bunch of old-timers
The list could go on and on about the deficiencies.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Seems like you just went down the list of the moves we have made this year. I've got some additions/changes...

top 10 defense? no idea b/c this group w/ the 3-4 is untested
franchise qb? no b/c McNabb is not the long term answer
Getting a LT and RT? yeah, we acquired a LT and RT. One is coming off a major injury and is changing positions, the other is a rookie who wasn't the top ranked tackle in the draft
Solid RB core? No, bunch of old-timers
The list could go on and on about the deficiencies.

Agreed. 100%. Over HALF the moves Shanahan has made are completely suspect.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Seems like you just went down the list of the moves we have made this year. I've got some additions/changes...

top 10 defense? no idea b/c this group w/ the 3-4 is untested
franchise qb? no b/c McNabb is not the long term answer
Getting a LT and RT? yeah, we acquired a LT and RT. One is coming off a major injury and is changing positions, the other is a rookie who wasn't the top ranked tackle in the draft
Solid RB core? No, bunch of old-timers
The list could go on and on about the deficiencies.

Well, that's certainly the glass is half empty look at things.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Well, that's certainly the glass is half empty look at things.

How is it glass half-empty when my only opinion is that it is too soon to make any judgments about this team.

Have they played a single down? Hell, have they even put on pads with Shanny at the helm. They've made some decent moves, sure, but we're used to being the offseason champs.

For now, the only concrete thing to be excited about is the fact that the front office seems to be competent, a refreshing departure from the past.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

How is it glass half-empty when my only opinion is that it is too soon to make any judgments about this team.

Have they played a single down? Hell, have they even put on pads with Shanny at the helm. They've made some decent moves, sure, but we're used to being the offseason champs.

For now, the only concrete thing to be excited about is the fact that the front office seems to be competent, a refreshing departure from the past.

I don't think Matty's questioning your logic, just stating you seem to be taking a pessimistic stance on the current roster moves.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

I don't think Matty's questioning your logic, just stating you seem to be taking a pessimistic stance on the current roster moves.

Exactly what I'm saying.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

I don't think Matty's questioning your logic, just stating you seem to be taking a pessimistic stance on the current roster moves.

Wow...way to completely misinterpret my 'glass-half empty' post. If you look at some of my other posts or what I have said in this thread, I have never said that getting McNabb, Williams, Brown etc. were bad moves. In fact, I have genuine optimism going forward. I even said, "there is reason to be optimistic" ad verbatim.

My posts are directed at those who say: 1. With Vincent Jackson, we are superbowl contenders or 2. Our offensive line is the best in the division.

My point is, this current group has proven nothing. Does that mean I am saying they are bad? No, Does it mean that we should be getting ready to send 20 players to the pro bowl? Resoundingly no.

It's not pessimistic to say that this team is NOT a surefire Superbowl Contender. If it is then label me a pessimist.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Wow...way to completely misinterpret my 'glass-half empty' post. If you look at some of my other posts or what I have said in this thread, I have never said that getting McNabb, Williams, Brown etc. were bad moves. In fact, I have genuine optimism going forward. I even said, "there is reason to be optimistic" ad verbatim.

My posts are directed at those who say: 1. With Vincent Jackson, we are superbowl contenders or 2. Our offensive line is the best in the division.

My point is, this current group has proven nothing. Does that mean I am saying they are bad? No, Does it mean that we should be getting ready to send 20 players to the pro bowl? Resoundingly no.

It's not pessimistic to say that this team is NOT a surefire Superbowl Contender. If it is then label me a pessimist.

I was merely referring to these takes you had on these moves:

top 10 defense? no idea b/c this group w/ the 3-4 is untested
franchise qb? no b/c McNabb is not the long term answer
Getting a LT and RT? yeah, we acquired a LT and RT. One is coming off a major injury and is changing positions, the other is a rookie who wasn't the top ranked tackle in the draft
Solid RB core? No, bunch of old-timers
The list could go on and on about the deficiencies.

Sounded pessimistic to me.

In the grand scheme I get what you're saying now.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Anyone else getting the feeling that McNabb's window of time left before he starts to noticeably decline (2-3 years) is the window allen and shanny want to win a SB?

Just seems like we are in a win now or next year mode.

top 10 defense? check
Getting a franchise qb? check
Getting a LT and RT? check
Getting a true no. 1 receiver to reap the benefits of having a franchise qb and competent O line? TBD.

and don't forget not being a SB champion team but staying in a Holiday Inn Express the night before games will make them play like one.