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[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Another funny comment. Our O Line has went from the laughing stock of the league.....to......here it comes...............great!!!!



Inquirinig minds want to know, WHATS THE RECIPE!!!!!?????

- An unproven rookie at your most important position guarding an already injury prone, aging QB who most think his best days are behind him.

- Artis Hicks, a career MEDIOCRE BACKUP.

- Jamaal Brown, who sat out the ENTIRE year last year with a very serious injury.

- and Casey RABACH!!!!! LOL, RABACH!

- Add a pinch of Shannys special seasoning and conditioning, AND BOOM!!!
YOU GOT YOURSELVES A "GREAT" Offensive Line........

On a side note, any Offensive line unit who still has Stephon Heyer on their squad, even as a backup, has lost almost ALL chance of even being considered solid.

This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.

Agreed

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by GMScud

This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.

Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.

Completely agree.. The line is significantly better on paper but as of the posting of these comments, that's all it is, on paper.

Until they play against the likes of Umenyiora, Tuck, Ware and the other beasts we are about to see this season, let's keep the hyperbole to a minimum and say only there is reason to be optimistic.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.

Well, whether or not McNabb is one of "the best in the business" can be debated I guess, but my bet is if you ask a couple dozen random analysts and players, a pretty good majority would say he's still a top flight QB. Not top 5 (although some still argue that he is), but certainly top 10. I'll argue that all day. He's more than "serviceable." Jason Campbell is serviceable. Put it this way, he's one of the 10 best players on earth at his position. Is that good? Plus you argued that he's injury prone. The last three seasons he has not been at all.

Just because some mouth on NFL radio said our line is "great" doesn't mean that's the widely held opinion. I don't think anyone on this website or inside the organization is saying we're a "great" O-line. But vastly improved? No doubt.


Anyway- my point that your OP was a fail was because:
-You said McNabb was injury prone. 44 starts in the last 48 games says you're wrong.
-You said Artis Hicks isn't even a mediocre backup. That's just flat out wrong.
-You said J.Brown was coming off of a very serious injury. Repairing a hernia almost a year ago isn't "very serious" and is no threat to his 2010 season.
-And again, just because Heyer is on the roster doesn't mean this line can't ever be considered solid. That's just a dumb contension. Sorry.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

I'm probably nitpicking GMScud today, especially since I'm largely in agreement with (t)his post, but when you have to frame McNabb's durability in the concept of the last three years, because he comes out in the bottom third of quarterbacks in durability when you talk about last year, or the last four years, or the last five years, seems like selective sampling.

The whole picture is this (I'm not going back past 2004, but you absolutely could without changing the results):

McNabb started the following % of his teams games:

2009: 88%
2008-09: 94%
2007-09: 92%
2006-09: 88%
2005-09: 81%
2004*-09: 84%

*I did not penalize McNabb for sitting the final game in 2004 on Coach's Decision. I just didn't count that one in games played.

McNabb misses almost two games a season -- for his career -- with injures. No matter how that's trended over the last three years, he's not going to get less injured as he gets older. He might play through more injuries...but I'd rather he not if it's going to hamper his effectiveness.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm probably nitpicking GMScud today, especially since I'm largely in agreement with (t)his post, but when you have to frame McNabb's durability in the concept of the last three years, because he comes out in the bottom third of quarterbacks in durability when you talk about last year, or the last four years, or the last five years, seems like selective sampling.

The whole picture is this (I'm not going back past 2004, but you absolutely could without changing the results):

McNabb started the following % of his teams games:

2009: 88%
2008-09: 94%
2007-09: 92%
2006-09: 88%
2005-09: 81%
2004*-09: 84%

*I did not penalize McNabb for sitting the final game in 2004 on Coach's Decision. I just didn't count that one in games played.

McNabb misses almost two games a season -- for his career -- with injures. No matter how that's trended over the last three years, he's not going to get less injured as he gets older. He might play through more injuries...but I'd rather he not if it's going to hamper his effectiveness.

The reason I used the past three season is simply because he started 14, 16, and 14 games during that span. Sure it's selective and helps my argument (why wouldn't I spin it in my favor ). But I would say those past few seasons are more of an indication of where his body is at right now than when he was dealing with broken ankles, ACL's, and hernias 4-7 years ago. Also, if I'm not mistaken, those three major injuries I just mentioned were all the result of McNabb scrambling, which he doesn't do nearly as much anymore.