Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

[skinster]

I just watched multiple segments on nfl.com about the vincent jackson's trade. Apparently he wants more money than brandon marshall, and the trade market should be about the same with 2 2nd round picks for him. This is something I do not understand, Marshall is FAR superior to Jackson, not IMO, fact.
All the numbers support it, over the last 3 years, brandon marshall has averaged about 300 more yards per season, about 50 more receptions! and has about 1.5 more tds per season. That is all considering that Marshall has less years in the league, played in less games over those three season, started even less, is NOT being suspended 4 games, and had the poop king kyle orton throwing to him last year instead of the elite phillip rivers.
I'd honestly put him at a 2nd rounder period for trade value considering in his 5 nfl years has had 1 truly good year with an elite qb throwing to him, and a genius offensive coordinator as a head coach. And it wasn't even that good a year.
Please someone explain to me why jackson should be traded for the same and get more money instead of significantly less money and significantly less value

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by skinster

I just watched multiple segments on nfl.com about the vincent jackson's trade. Apparently he wants more money than brandon marshall, and the trade market should be about the same with 2 2nd round picks for him. This is something I do not understand, Marshall is FAR superior to Jackson, not IMO, fact.
All the numbers support it, over the last 3 years, brandon marshall has averaged about 300 more yards per season, about 50 more receptions! and has about 1.5 more tds per season. That is all considering that Marshall has less years in the league, played in less games over those three season, started even less, is NOT being suspended 4 games, and had the poop king kyle orton throwing to him last year instead of the elite phillip rivers.
I'd honestly put him at a 2nd rounder period for trade value considering in his 5 nfl years has had 1 truly good year with an elite qb throwing to him, and a genius offensive coordinator as a head coach. And it wasn't even that good a year.
Please someone explain to me why jackson should be traded for the same and get more money instead of significantly less money and significantly less value

The number of catches over the last three years is strickly related to the offenses they played in. In Denver, Marshall was in an offense that threw the ball a quite bit more. Plus looking at the numbers over the last three years comparing the two, the only thing that sticks out is the catches. The yards were about the same and the TD's were exactly the same. I think this speaks to how Norv likes to run the ball and hit the deep balls with play action. If Jackson had played in an offense where the ball was thrown 10-15 more times a game then his catches would be similar. So I dont understand where everyone is saying that Marshall is by far the superior receiver. I definatly think we should make a play for this guy. he is big, strong, and can get down the field. His size and speed is very attractive ala Andre Johnson. Plus he is a threat in the redzone, which we really haven't had other than cooley, which teams have figured that out! Teaming him up with Moss and thomas would be pretty damn interesting. Along with Cooley and Davis. I dont put Kelly in the mix because I can see him as being part of the deal. Plus i think we could move Moss to more of the #2 receiver and more slot routes which I think he would be extremely had to cover in motion and going across the middle.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

The number of catches over the last three years is strickly related to the offenses they played in. In Denver, Marshall was in an offense that threw the ball a quite bit more. Plus looking at the numbers over the last three years comparing the two, the only thing that sticks out is the catches. The yards were about the same and the TD's were exactly the same. I think this speaks to how Norv likes to run the ball and hit the deep balls with play action. If Jackson had played in an offense where the ball was thrown 10-15 more times a game then his catches would be similar. So I dont understand where everyone is saying that Marshall is by far the superior receiver. I definatly think we should make a play for this guy. he is big, strong, and can get down the field. His size and speed is very attractive ala Andre Johnson. Plus he is a threat in the redzone, which we really haven't had other than cooley, which teams have figured that out! Teaming him up with Moss and thomas would be pretty damn interesting. Along with Cooley and Davis. I dont put Kelly in the mix because I can see him as being part of the deal. Plus i think we could move Moss to more of the #2 receiver and more slot routes which I think he would be extremely had to cover in motion and going across the middle.

Well said.

In the end I think Marshall is the better player than Jackson, but not by a wide margin.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

The number of catches over the last three years is strickly related to the offenses they played in. In Denver, Marshall was in an offense that threw the ball a quite bit more. Plus looking at the numbers over the last three years comparing the two, the only thing that sticks out is the catches. The yards were about the same and the TD's were exactly the same. I think this speaks to how Norv likes to run the ball and hit the deep balls with play action. If Jackson had played in an offense where the ball was thrown 10-15 more times a game then his catches would be similar. So I dont understand where everyone is saying that Marshall is by far the superior receiver. I definatly think we should make a play for this guy. he is big, strong, and can get down the field. His size and speed is very attractive ala Andre Johnson. Plus he is a threat in the redzone, which we really haven't had other than cooley, which teams have figured that out! Teaming him up with Moss and thomas would be pretty damn interesting. Along with Cooley and Davis. I dont put Kelly in the mix because I can see him as being part of the deal. Plus i think we could move Moss to more of the #2 receiver and more slot routes which I think he would be extremely had to cover in motion and going across the middle.

I see your point, but I still disagree. Just coming from last year alone, orton threw the ball about 50 more times than rivers, and marshall had 33 more catches than jackson while not starting in 2 less games (If I remember correctly he wasn't really played in those games). But the main reason why I disagree with that is not just their production, but who was throwing the ball to them while they were producing. I dont think you can disagree that rivers is far superior than orton. The fact that marshall got better numbers last year (his worst of the last 3 years) in yards per game played, catches total, and tds total while being thrown to by a guy nobody wants on their team, then jackson who last year (his by far best of the last 3 years) was thrown to by an elite qb speaks miles to me. The last thing I will say why I believe marshall is significantly more valuable is consistency, Marshall has had three straight 100 plus catch seasons, while jackson has had one season that has matched up to marshall. Jackson hasn't proven he that he can do it year in and year out. For all we know he might be able to, but he hasn't proven that he can.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by skinster

I see your point, but I still disagree. Just coming from last year alone, orton threw the ball about 50 more times than rivers, and marshall had 33 more catches than jackson while not starting in 2 less games (If I remember correctly he wasn't really played in those games). But the main reason why I disagree with that is not just their production, but who was throwing the ball to them while they were producing. I dont think you can disagree that rivers is far superior than orton. The fact that marshall got better numbers last year (his worst of the last 3 years) in yards per game played, catches total, and tds total while being thrown to by a guy nobody wants on their team, then jackson who last year (his by far best of the last 3 years) was thrown to by an elite qb speaks miles to me. The last thing I will say why I believe marshall is significantly more valuable is consistency, Marshall has had three straight 100 plus catch seasons, while jackson has had one season that has matched up to marshall. Jackson hasn't proven he that he can do it year in and year out. For all we know he might be able to, but he hasn't proven that he can.

You are missing some key factors here. early in Jackson's career they had some guy named LT getting the ball 30 times a game. Not sure the QB comparison is as important as you make it. It does help, but all Kyle orton does is win ball games, and if I am correct the broncos were undefeated with orton and he was having a stellar year before we about broke his foot off. I am not in total disagreement that Marshall is a better receiver, he is, but to say that he is heads and shoulders above Jackson is just not accurate. You can't compare two guys that played in two TOTALLy different offensive philosophies. Plus, Gates was a beast a couple of years ago catching a ton of balls for SD, taking away a number of balls to WR's. Other than Marshall, Denvers receivers aren't actually scary, nor the tight ends, which aren't involved as much as SD. There are a ton of factors into a WR #'s when you compare them to another WR. I think an equal comparison to Marshall would be Randy Moss's numbers over the last few years, or Reggie Wayne. They all play in very similar offenses.