For JTF's Reading Pleasure: "What is the Tea Party"

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

Nah, I'd shoot them dead on the spot then find a way to justify my action to the police.

Yes they do, collectively the American people consent to everything America does. Those who vote and those who don't vote are culpable for the actions of America. To think otherwise if foolish.

Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.

Your argument would make sense if the government obeyed it's own laws. It does not. Therefore it is a illegitimate criminal enterprise. Yes people in the US have been dumbed down. What can I say, they'll make great pets. There is no consent, only the power of the Army and the police. Sooner or later they'll be out of the way. Then it's pay-back time and I can't wait. ha ha ha

Will Thousands Of Police Layoffs Unleash Chaos And Anarchy Across America?

[budw38]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.

Excellent post sir .

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sadly, I have to agree with Saden on this point.

IF and most likely when, the US population ever stops giving tacit consent to the government it would be through a violent uprising. As an example of tacit consent, if you drive a car, you have tacitly acknowledged the government's right to create laws enabling the safe conduct of interstate travel. Likewise, if you use dollars, you are acknowledging that the federal government has the right to use those same dollars. The high lack of voter turnout actually also represents the basic consent for this government.

If it was not consented to by a majority of non-voters we would see rebellions and uprisings. Most US citizens do accept the Federal and State government, even though most also have been spoon fed a whole ton of manure about the reality of how our government works. I think a lot of non-voters are people like me, who accept the fundamental concept of our government, but can't find one d*** person worth voting for, at least from the republican and democratic hegemony.

I don't know why that's sad, we should celebrate

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't know why that's sad, we should celebrate

It's sad because what he's saying is, we have a shitty government because the general populace is a bunch of schmucks!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

It's sad because what he's saying is, we have a shitty government because the general populace is a bunch of schmucks!

Our govt. has it's share of issues - no doubt. It is, however, far from shitty. Somalia, Zimbabwe, Chad, Sudan - now that's shitty (or non-existent) government.

You would probably do well there. It's all about who has the biggest gun and not seeing civilization as anything more than your local tribe/clan/(insert hunter-gatherer grouping of choice).

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Our govt. has it's share of issues - no doubt. It is, however, far from shitty. Somalia, Zimbabwe, Chad, Sudan - now that's shitty (or non-existent) government.

You would probably do well there. It's all about who has the biggest gun and not seeing civilization as anything more than your local tribe/clan/(insert hunter-gatherer grouping of choice).

That's like saying, eating gritts everyday sucks but at least it's not sawdust.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

That's like saying, eating gritts everyday sucks but at least it's not sawdust.

1. Ain't nothing wrong with a daily plate o' grits.

2. Okay then - "shitty" compared to what? "shitty" compared to a perfect world in which we all agree on everything? "Shitty" compared to a govt. of a country with a population of 5,000,000 in which approximately only 20-30% of that population can actually vote? "Shitty" compared to Denmark?

The federal, state, and local system all have their flaws all overlap and all could be much better. That's what happens when 300 million, 43 million (population of California), and 400K (Oakland) or so people all have a voice in how the union, the state and the city will be governed.

Amazingly, not everyone agrees with one another.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Our govt. has it's share of issues - no doubt. It is, however, far from shitty. Somalia, Zimbabwe, Chad, Sudan - now that's shitty (or non-existent) government.

You would probably do well there. It's all about who has the biggest gun and not seeing civilization as anything more than your local tribe/clan/(insert hunter-gatherer grouping of choice).

Our gov't fails an awful lot , I think we are great because of the declerations , Bill of Rights , laws that were written years ago , much more than todays idiots . Our Corporations , small businesses not our elected officials turn our wheels and drive our jobs / economy , while Washington has continued to ring up debt and deficits . When we spend < local > 5 million dollars for a 70 ft stretch of highway , or use 2 million more on a 60 ft long < 4 ft. tall > bridge ... and it take over half a year ... thats bad . I agree that we are much better off here < I have never left our borders , nor will I > Washington needs to improve a great deal ... as they should do what is best for we the people .

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by budw38

Our gov't fails an awful lot , I think we are great because of the declerations , Bill of Rights , laws that were written years ago , much more than todays idiots . Our Corporations , small businesses not our elected officials turn our wheels and drive our jobs / economy , while Washington has continued to ring up debt and deficits . When we spend < local > 5 million dollars for a 70 ft stretch of highway , or use 2 million more on a 60 ft long < 4 ft. tall > bridge ... and it take over half a year ... thats bad . I agree that we are much better off here < I have never left our borders , nor will I > Washington needs to improve a great deal ... as they should do what is best for we the people .

Okay, here is the list of countries with poplations of greater than 150 million:

1 China (1,338,760,000)
2 India (1,183,669,000)
3 United States (309,786,000)
4 Indonesia (234,181,400)
5 Brazil (193,253,000)
6 Pakistan (170,064,500)
7 Bangladesh (164,425,000)
8 Nigeria (158,259,000)

Which of these is doing a better job than us in terms of governing a huge mass of people (actually wayyy beyond huge)?

Yup. Our founding documents were inspired - but we are no longer an 18th century minor nation in a pre-industrialized world.

With 300 million people and multiple layers of government striving to both keep those 300 million people unified, protect their wide ranging iintereste, while at the same time give them a voice in federal and local govt. -- GUESS WHAT?? Waste & corruption happen. It is not the apocalypse, it is not the end of the govt., it is not a conspiracy - it just is. And we 300 million people muddle along trying to keep it together and not blow ourselves apart by finding inspiration in those timeless founding documents that were written by a bunch of (very smart) privileged white men for the benefit of privileged white men.


Did I mention there are 300 million of us?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Okay, here is the list of countries with poplations of greater than 150 million:

1 China (1,338,760,000)
2 India (1,183,669,000)
3 United States (309,786,000)
4 Indonesia (234,181,400)
5 Brazil (193,253,000)
6 Pakistan (170,064,500)
7 Bangladesh (164,425,000)
8 Nigeria (158,259,000)

Which of these is doing a better job than us in terms of governing a huge mass of people (actually wayyy beyond huge)?

Yup. Our founding documents were inspired - but we are no longer an 18th century minor nation in a pre-industrialized world.

With 300 million people and multiple layers of government striving to both keep those 300 million people unified, protect their wide ranging iintereste, while at the same time give them a voice in federal and local govt. -- GUESS WHAT?? Waste & corruption happen. It is not the apocalypse, it is not the end of the govt., it is not a conspiracy - it just is. And we 300 million people muddle along trying to keep it together and not blow ourselves apart by finding inspiration in those timeless founding documents that were written by a bunch of (very smart) privileged white men for the benefit of privileged white men.


Did I mention there are 300 million of us?

Did you forget those enlightened Red bastards harvest convincts for their organs? Have you forgotten that China is a huge sweat shop with concentration camp labor? This is who you want to be like? They're doing a better job? Mao liquidated millions of people in the cultural revolution. The only thing they're doing better than us is accepting Western industry into their country because American politicians have sold out the American people.

The last time I was on an airplane I saw huge portions of land that no one has ever touched. There's plenty of room and resources for everyone.

The Constitution is one of the best documents ever written. Who cares if it was written by white men, so was the Magna Carta. You mention India, who's Constitution do you think they copied when they kicked out the British?

So what if it was written a long time ago. Christ was crucified a long time ago but his message is as true today as it was back then. Buddha lived a long time ago, so did Confucius. But I guess their message isn't relevant without a gas turbine or an internal combustible engine.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't know why that's sad, we should celebrate

I dunno, but somehow felt like I was rooting for a Dallas win in order for the Skins to get in the playoffs