Lenny P: Coles' toe still a concern?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Coles' toe certainly contributed to his lack of big plays.

But, by week 10, pretty much EVERYONE on this site and Gibbs himself (!!!) said he was too conservative in his play-calling. He has supposedly committed himself to "opening up of the offense" and trying to go vertical more. He said he regretted some of his decisions to remain conservative. Certainly, there were valid reasons for keeping the offense conservative (the team was learning a new offense, the QB situation was unstable, etc), but IMHO, Gibbs' playcalling was the number one reason for Coles' piss-poor ypc.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Coles' toe certainly contributed to his lack of big plays.

But, by week 10, pretty much EVERYONE on this site and Gibbs himself (!!!) said he was too conservative in his play-calling. He has supposedly committed himself to "opening up of the offense" and trying to go vertical more. He said he regretted some of his decisions to remain conservative. Certainly, there were valid reasons for keeping the offense conservative (the team was learning a new offense, the QB situation was unstable, etc), but IMHO, Gibbs' playcalling was the number one reason for Coles' piss-poor ypc.

This is what totally confuses me. Joe Gibbs was a offensive genius in his first stint. Everyone wants portray him as having a grind it out type offense back then which isn't really true. They threw downfield often but they used the grind it out type of plays to control leads.
I have got to think that he didn't just forget that. The play calling last year was remarkably bland and conservative but why? Was it becasue he had lost it or was it because he thought it was the best way to go. I'd say he probably evaluated the talent and the injury situation and thought they didn't have the parts to make a downfield game work. I know everyone here was frustrated with it but none of us have a super bowl ring and he happens to have three. I am gonna side with him on this. As for his own contentions that they needed to open it up I think those comments were based on several factors including a desire to placate fans and a desire to show the players he could adjust. They did in fact go downfield somewhat more but with little success. In the end how was he going to switch from what he obviously thought was the best plan possible?
The best sign of his belief that we didn't have the tools is the way they have gone about rebuilding the WR corp. I think maybe now he feels he can open it for real. As for last year he did what he thought was best and he KNOWS he is doing. I guess I just an eternal optimist with our ole boy Gibbs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This is what totally confuses me. Joe Gibbs was a offensive genius in his first stint. Everyone wants portray him as having a grind it out type offense back then which isn't really true. They threw downfield often but they used the grind it out type of plays to control leads.
I have got to think that he didn't just forget that. The play calling last year was remarkably bland and conservative but why? Was it becasue he had lost it or was it because he thought it was the best way to go. I'd say he probably evaluated the talent and the injury situation and thought they didn't have the parts to make a downfield game work. I know everyone here was frustrated with it but none of us have a super bowl ring and he happens to have three. I am gonna side with him on this. As for his own contentions that they needed to open it up I think those comments were based on several factors including a desire to placate fans and a desire to show the players he could adjust. They did in fact go downfield somewhat more but with little success. In the end how was he going to switch from what he obviously thought was the best plan possible?
The best sign of his belief that we didn't have the tools is the way they have gone about rebuilding the WR corp. I think maybe now he feels he can open it for real. As for last year he did what he thought was best and he KNOWS he is doing. I guess I just an eternal optimist with our ole boy Gibbs.

I agree with you. Gibbs, contrary to what some might tell you, didn't become dumb overnight. He know what he's doing. And what he did was what all of us fans always say the Redskins don't do enough of...preach patience. He knew he needed a year to evaluate the talent on the field, try out different game plans, basically get a feel for what he's working with-both teamwise and leaguewise. With a year under his belt he and the Skins are ready for big things in '05.

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This is what totally confuses me. Joe Gibbs was a offensive genius in his first stint. Everyone wants portray him as having a grind it out type offense back then which isn't really true. They threw downfield often but they used the grind it out type of plays to control leads.
I have got to think that he didn't just forget that. The play calling last year was remarkably bland and conservative but why? Was it becasue he had lost it or was it because he thought it was the best way to go. I'd say he probably evaluated the talent and the injury situation and thought they didn't have the parts to make a downfield game work. I know everyone here was frustrated with it but none of us have a super bowl ring and he happens to have three. I am gonna side with him on this. As for his own contentions that they needed to open it up I think those comments were based on several factors including a desire to placate fans and a desire to show the players he could adjust. They did in fact go downfield somewhat more but with little success. In the end how was he going to switch from what he obviously thought was the best plan possible?
The best sign of his belief that we didn't have the tools is the way they have gone about rebuilding the WR corp. I think maybe now he feels he can open it for real. As for last year he did what he thought was best and he KNOWS he is doing. I guess I just an eternal optimist with our ole boy Gibbs.

There is only one thing that should be addressed when talking about our offense. The subpar play at the QB position. PAtrick came in to late and still is just getting a understanding of this offense versus the let the QB be killed mentality of Spurrier. It takes time to understand protection schemes and build a repoire of your coach and players. Our QB's both sucked last year with Patrick being better then the money man they brought in. Just remeber they were competative in every game last year except for the Giants game. This is quite a change to the previous coaching staffs who let their team give up. He is a genius when it comes to coaching and mangaging players. Andy Reid is a offesnive genius but Gibbs is a team genius, so be calm and wait for the storm, cause when it hits you will go wild.