Haynesworth fails conditioning test

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Fat Al studying at right DE.

Redskins Insider - Haynesworth studying right end position

Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.

You hope. He's more likely to hurt his knee by bumping it on the chest of one of your linemen while running over him to sack Sheli.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You hope. He's more likely to hurt his knee by bumping it on the chest of one of your linemen while running over him to sack Sheli.

:yeahright...........

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Giantone

:yeahright...........

Hey Giantone you're a great poster.....well most of the time.

I'm just curious do you have 1,800 posts on a Cowboy and Eagle board as well?

Or is it just the Redskins you love talking about?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Hey Giantone you're a great poster.....well most of the time.

I'm just curious do you have 1,800 posts on a Cowboy and Eagle board as well?

Or is it just the Redskins you love talking about?

Nope, frick the Cowgirls.I live in the Maryland -DC area so I see more about the Skins then I do other teams but I was born a Blue blood,I will say that out of 3 daughters 1 is a Giants fan ,1 is a Skins fan and the other doesn't care!

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nope, frick the Cowgirls.I live in the Maryland -DC area so I see more about the Skins then I do other teams but I was born a Blue blood,I will say that out of 3 daughters 1 is a Giants fan ,1 is a Skins fan and the other doesn't care!

I still remember the year we had a chance to put the Giants down 0-3 to start the year, but you guys had that goal line stand and (the great fortune that Ladell freakin Betts the worst goal line back ever) was the guy who couldn't end that game and anyways after that game I said the Giants had no chance that year to you specifically and you said the Giants had turned a corner or something.

I thought you guys were going to have an awful year.

Then you upset the Patriots that year and I was reminded why the NFL is so kicks ass.

Every new year nobody knows what the heck is going to happen.

It's awesome!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I still remember the year we had a chance to put the Giants down 0-3 to start the year, but you guys had that goal line stand and (the great fortune that Ladell freakin Betts the worst goal line back ever) was the guy who couldn't end that game and anyways after that game I said the Giants had no chance that year to you specifically and you said the Giants had turned a corner or something.

I thought you guys were going to have an awful year.

Then you upset the Patriots that year and I was reminded why the NFL is so kicks ass.

Every new year nobody knows what the heck is going to happen.

It's awesome!

Yep, that was pretty much the beginning of the Giants turn around that season. They were talking about making major changes had they lost that game and we couldn't close the deal.

Turns my stomach now just thinking about it.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Hey Giantone you're a great poster.....well most of the time.

I'm just curious do you have 1,800 posts on a Cowboy and Eagle board as well?

Or is it just the Redskins you love talking about?

He's a great imposture. He's a closet REDSKIN fan. You can come out now Giantone, your game is up.

We have one more spot on the bus, it's filling up quickly.

Most smart people know we shall own the NFC EAST for years to come, starting 2010!

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.

Exactly. I don't really see it working. If AH wants to play end, he's going to have to prove he's capable by running his ass off. We can't have our top end sucking wind on the sideline every 2 or 3 plays.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Exactly. I don't really see it working. If AH wants to play end, he's going to have to prove he's capable by running his ass off. We can't have our top end sucking wind on the sideline every 2 or 3 plays.

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

This whole scenario is pretty pathetic by AH. For one you can't pass a conditioning test because why exactly? If he had been working out all offseason to get into better shape and losing weight properly with cardio and strength training he should have been able to come in and run some "drills" in the given amount of time without a problem. BUT now you have ran a couple of times in the last 2 days and it has left your knee swollen. does this really sound as though a guy who is in top shape? Or has been training all offseason? A little running and now you will be held out of practice for a sore knee?

I have been defending him the last few weeks and trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I am done. The team needs to get him into shape, and if i was Shanahan and the Redskins I would feel as though I had been lied too the whole time by this guy and his trainer. So what he lost some weight and did some working out? He didn't get himself into a "top" shape by any means.

Of course he then may develop another health concern.

So then you would have to ask yourself is this guy even worth keeping around on the football team? Do you trade him or just flat out release him?

rant over for now...

p.s.

I still want to AH to get with the program and succeed here in DC, but if it drags on and on I wouldn't miss him either.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

No, I don't think that's going to change. Hence, the reason I said, "I don't really see it working," immediately before the part you bolded. :smashfrea

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

Our defensive statistics are vastly better when he is in there. I believe Orakpo never had another sack after he got hurt. We need Haynesworth. I predict he will be a pro bowler and our best defensive player this year, as long as he does not get hurt.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Our defensive statistics are vastly better when he is in there. I believe Orakpo never had another sack after he got hurt. We need Haynesworth. I predict he will be a pro bowler and our best defensive player this year, as long as he does not get hurt.

Actually AH missed the Oakland game where Rak lit it up. But, yes, we are better with a properly motivated and healthy AH. I don't think I've seen a better Redskins goal line defense than the one we had last year and AH was part of that.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.

Speaking of the 5-3 defense....Don't know if you're old enough to remember, but when George Allen was coach here he deployed the defense in a playoff game against the Packers in an atempt to combat their strong running game that consisted of two runners, John Brockington and McArthur Lane. It worked superbly, on that day the Packers running game was completely shut down.