Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

[saden1]

Originally Posted by TheLastDon

To use the 14th amendment to defend gay marriage is laughable, but you libs always do that type of thing. You twist the constitution to fit your perverted view of America. I'm pretty sure the intent of the 14th amendment had 0 to do with anything about gay rights. In law one of the things you are supposed to determine is INTENT of the law. That's just basic law 101 type of stuff. Also, you libs use the 14th amendment to say if you are born here to an illegal alien you become a citizen. Yet another twisting of this amendment. Now if you want to go ahead and get another amendment into the constitution that says gay marriage is legal then you'd have an argument, but until then you have no valid argument. You can bring up your decisions like Loving v. Virginia all you want, but we know that there are a TON of decisions that are just plain wrong. Did you think the Dred Scott decision was a good one? Did you think Plessy v. Ferguson was a good one? Should we use those as precedent too?

We're not the ones trying to change the Constitution to fit our world views. Last time I checked it is you conservatives that are proposing consititional amendments because the Constitution doesn't allow you to win in the courts. Here's a quick list of amendments championed by conservatives as an addendum to our beloved part-time-sacred-document:

• The Flag Desecration Amendment
• Balanced budget Amendment
• Supermajority to raise taxes
• “Parental rights” Amendment – the right of parents to “raise their children as they see fit, introduced last year by Jim DeMint and Peter Hoekstra.
• Human life Amendment, banning abortion
• The Federal Marriage Amendment, banning gay marriage
• Believing that the DC Voting Rights Act was unconstitutional, Lisa Murkowski proposed an Amendment giving the District a single voting representative.
• Last year, Jim DeMint introduced a term limits Amendment (3 terms in the House, 2 in the Senate).
• Allowing state-endorsed prayer in public schools.
• Scraping birth right citizenship from the 14th Amendment.
• Scraping the 17th Amendment and the ability of voters to choose their own senators.
• Repealing and "restoring" the 13th Amendment

The really sad part is that your representatives don't think you numskulls realize how difficult it is to change the Constitution so they toy with you. You have to change hearts and minds before you go after the Constitution. Don't get it twisted homie, you're the ones that don't like the Constitution. I forgive you though, it's your nature and you don't know any better.

BTW, bad decisions have been made in the past...there is no question about that...slowly but surely we rectified those decisions. And discrimination against the gays is no different...time is on our side cuz.

[TheLastDon]

Originally Posted by saden1

We're not the ones trying to change the Constitution to fit our world views. Last time I checked it is you conservatives that are proposing consititional amendments because the Constitution doesn't allow you to win in the courts. Here's a quick list of amendments championed by conservatives as an addendum to our beloved part-time-sacred-document:

• The Flag Desecration Amendment
• Balanced budget Amendment
• Supermajority to raise taxes
• “Parental rights” Amendment – the right of parents to “raise their children as they see fit, introduced last year by Jim DeMint and Peter Hoekstra.
• Human life Amendment, banning abortion
• The Federal Marriage Amendment, banning gay marriage
• Believing that the DC Voting Rights Act was unconstitutional, Lisa Murkowski proposed an Amendment giving the District a single voting representative.
• Last year, Jim DeMint introduced a term limits Amendment (3 terms in the House, 2 in the Senate).
• Allowing state-endorsed prayer in public schools.
• Scraping birth right citizenship from the 14th Amendment.
• Scraping the 17th Amendment and the ability of voters to choose their own senators.
• Repealing and "restoring" the 13th Amendment

The really sad part is that your representatives don't think you numskulls realize how difficult it is to change the Constitution so they toy with you. You have to change hearts and minds before you go after the Constitution. Don't get it twisted homie, you're the ones that don't like the Constitution. I forgive you though, it's your nature and you don't know any better.

Boy oh boy, you REALLY don't understand how the US is setup at all. Do you? Of course they are trying to add amendments. This is what you are supposed to do! What you are NOT supposed to do is take an amendment that CLEARLY has nothing to do with an issue and twist it into something to support your twisted views. If you want your views made into law then make an amendment. Speaking of winning hearts and minds, why don't you try doing that instead of hijacking the courts? I think every single vote on gay marriage in this country has been against gays getting married. You guys can't even get a state's people to see eye to eye with you. Not even in California, home of the gay capital of the US!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by TheLastDon

Boy oh boy, you REALLY don't understand how the US is setup at all. Do you? Of course they are trying to add amendments. This is what you are supposed to do! What you are NOT supposed to do is take an amendment that CLEARLY has nothing to do with an issue and twist it into something to support your twisted views. If you want your views made into law then make an amendment. Speaking of winning hearts and minds, why don't you try doing that instead of hijacking the courts? I think every single vote on gay marriage in this country has been against gays getting married. You guys can't even get a state's people to see eye to eye with you. Not even in California, home of the gay capital of the US!

You're the one talking about how "[we] twist the constitution to fit [our] perverted view of America." We work within the Constitution....you should f'ing try it sometime instead of pretending the Constitution is explicit when you think it. We work within the framework because we realize passing a constitutional amendment to accommodate every little thing is futile and retarded.

And every state in the south passed jim crow laws but that doesn't make it right. You keep digging buddy, you might hit pay dirt and dig all the way to the 17th century someday.