Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I hope Beck does excel and makes it. Grossman just doesn't have it, but then again like you say he does have the experience advantage. I have always cheered for the young QBs to make a move or when they did make one. Only bad thing is they never panned out(ie Frerotte, Ramsey, JC).

The thing about Beck though is that he's going to be 29 (though these days thats young by QB standards) by the end of the month. It would be nice though to have a guy that could play like another Donovan backup a couple of years ago in Jeff Garcia, or better yet, lets have Donovan start his own iron man streak. Of course one of the best way to do it is to get that Denver ground game transferred to DC.

Right now though it seems like Grossman simply isn't cutting it. Even Los is intercepting him.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

The thing about Beck though is that he's going to be 29 (though these days thats young by QB standards) by the end of the month. It would be nice though to have a guy that could play like another Donovan backup a couple of years ago in Jeff Garcia, or better yet, lets have Donovan start his own iron man streak. Of course one of the best way to do it is to get that Denver ground game transferred to DC.

Right now though it seems like Grossman simply isn't cutting it. Even Los is intercepting him.

Well I can't see Shanny passing up drafting a QB or two in the next few drafts. It would be nice to have a young stud understudy to Donovan that could be able to come in and do the job when need be.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Well I can't see Shanny passing up drafting a QB or two in the next few drafts. It would be nice to have a young stud understudy to Donovan that could be able to come in and do the job when need be.

Not in the first round though. Not unless he's the next Jay Cutler or John Elway talent-wise. For all the crap Cutler gets, he was really a beast when he played for Shanahan.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Not in the first round though. Not unless he's the next Jay Cutler or John Elway talent-wise. For all the crap Cutler gets, he was really a beast when he played for Shanahan.

Yeah, the thing that ticks me off with the medias views of Cutler and Shanahan is they keep talking about the average win loss record. I've said it before but Drew Brees and Sean Peyton were 7-9 two years ago. To pin an entire teams performance on the QB is absurd.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Not in the first round though. Not unless he's the next Jay Cutler or John Elway talent-wise. For all the crap Cutler gets, he was really a beast when he played for Shanahan.

Although i agree with you about Shanahan not taking a QB in the first round the rookie salary cap might make the taking a 1st round QB cheaper and thusly less risky.
But, i also think that taking a QB high in the 1st round is a desperation move for a franchise and that most QB 'gurus' given their druthers would prefer to draft and groom a QB later in the draft at the earliest late in the 1st.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Although i agree with you about Shanahan not taking a QB in the first round the rookie salary cap might make the taking a 1st round QB cheaper and thusly less risky.
But, i also think that taking a QB high in the 1st round is a desperation move for a franchise and that most QB 'gurus' given their druthers would prefer to draft and groom a QB later in the draft at the earliest late in the 1st.

Depends on the QB in question. You get a cool handed customer like say a Peyton Manning type, who guided a decent program to a BCS run, you better snag him if available. You have to do it. Right now we are Donovan MCNabb or bust, and it might be a 50/50 proposition with Dononvan since his WR corp doesn't look so promising at the moment. Grossman sucks. Beck is a no name entity and not likely to ever become a starter. Would be a great story if he did, but don't bet on it. Same with Bartel. If the McNabb experiment goes bust fast, you are faced with a Shuler scenario all over again. Better to have someone to really groom under Donovan than wait a few years. Then you will probably get yet another HC and/or GM if that occurs(getting a QB later than sooner) I don't think Snyder is going to want to wait another 5 years to get a winner.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Depends on the QB in question. You get a cool handed customer like say a Peyton Manning type, who guided a decent program to a BCS run, you better snag him if available. You have to do it.

You only have to do it if your franchise is in desperation mode.
(Trying to re-build and appease the fanbase with a "face" of the franchise)
And plus no one knows if a Peyton Manning is gonna be Manning or turn out like Ryan Leaf. Many well respected GMs had Leaf over Manning.
It all goes back to this statement made by Bill Walsh and often repeated by Mike Lombardi-
"Very few people know how to properly evaluate a QB and fewer still know how to coach them"

If you have a stable franchise and trust that your staff can develop a QB you draft one when it suit you and you groom him to be your starter.
Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren NEVER took a 1st round QB.
Look at the league right now how many are 1st rounders?
None of these guys are (were) Warner, Brady, Favre, Brees, T. Jackson, Cassel, Hasselbeck, Schaub, Romo, Delhomme, Moore, Orton.

Right now we are Donovan MCNabb or bust, and it might be a 50/50 proposition with Dononvan since his WR corp doesn't look so promising at the moment.

Okay, follow my logic on this one.
We have virtually the same receiver corps as last year minus ARE.
I personally don't think ARE is gonna cripple our passing game.
So it comes down to wether you think McNabb+Shanahan+improved OL
can produce a better passing game then Campbell+Zorn+Worst OL in the league.
The answer is pretty simple for me.
And if McNabb is a 50/50 success failure proposition then what would the odds for a rookie QB be? 15/85?

If the McNabb experiment goes bust fast, you are faced with a Shuler scenario all over again. Better to have someone to really groom under Donovan than wait a few years. Then you will probably get yet another HC and/or GM if that occurs(getting a QB later than sooner) I don't think Snyder is going to want to wait another 5 years to get a winner.

Most team are always grooming QBs and i think its a smart thing to do.
Holmgren for example produced several solid to starting caliber QB from his system all without ever drafting a 1st round QB.
Of course they should groom a QB, i said that in my post and i'm sure they'll draft a QB next year and groom them, but i would doubt that they would take one in the 1st round what would the reason be?
McNabb gives them at least 2-3 years to groom a QB a suitable replacement or QB of the future the right way.

Why would it take 5 years?
There is no way Snyder fires Shanahan.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

The thing about Beck though is that he's going to be 29 (though these days thats young by QB standards) by the end of the month. It would be nice though to have a guy that could play like another Donovan backup a couple of years ago in Jeff Garcia, or better yet, lets have Donovan start his own iron man streak. Of course one of the best way to do it is to get that Denver ground game transferred to DC.

Right now though it seems like Grossman simply isn't cutting it. Even Los is intercepting him.

mcnabb has thrown a few himself.. quite a few batted down as well... hopefully it works itself out