Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Question...would any of you who don't like the idea of gay marriage vote against a proposition similar to prop 8 if it were on your state ballet?

In VA, it would depend on how the law was written, but I could vote against it.

(Not to completely derail the thread)That being said, I would be much more inclined to do so, if I knew as a quid pro quo those that support gay marriage would then support a national ban on third trimester abortion, except in the cases of a threat to the life of the mother.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

In VA, it would depend on how the law was written, but I could vote against it.

(Not to completely derail the thread)That being said, I would be much more inclined to do so, if I knew as a quid pro quo those that support gay marriage would then support a national ban on third trimester abortion, except in the cases of a threat to the life of the mother.

This is the text of Prop 8, let's go with that.

Section I. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the "California Marriage Protection Act."

Section 2. Article I. Section 7.5 is added to the California Constitution. to read:
Sec. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

(Not to completely derail the thread)That being said, I would be much more inclined to do so, if I knew as a quid pro quo those that support gay marriage would then support a national ban on third trimester abortion, except in the cases of a threat to the life of the mother.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here unless you get something in return? You have a right to put up a prop on the ballet.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

This is the text of Prop 8, let's go with that.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here unless you get something in return? You have a right to put up a prop on the ballet.

First part, yes. I could vote against that.

Second part, life is a negotiation. Why would I give my support to something I'm morally against without a quid pro quo. And since we're asking hypothetical questions....if I was successful in putting a prop on the ballot in Washington State outlawing third trimester abortion do you support it? If not, and there's a gay marriage support prop on the ballot and conservatives in Wash St. agree to support the gay marriage prop, do you then support the third trimester abortion ban?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

First part, yes. I could vote against that.

Second part, life is a negotiation. Why would I give my support to something I'm morally against without a quid pro quo. And since we're asking hypothetical questions....if I was successful in putting a prop on the ballot in Washington State outlawing third trimester abortion do you support it? If not, and there's a gay marriage support prop on the ballot and conservatives in Wash St. agree to support the gay marriage prop, do you then support the third trimester abortion ban?

We are voters not legislators able to cut deals. I tend to base my vote on things I believe or don't believe in not whether I can get something in return or how others vote. I believe in a ban on partial birth abortion as long as there is no health issue, including mental health. It is a reasonable...you got 4 months to make a decision, make one and live with it.

Do the right thing, always, and if you think gay marriage is morally wrong but a ban on it constitutionally indefensible you need to make a choice where you stand and how you vote. Don't try to bargain and hold people hostage because it makes it easier for you to make a choice and feel good about your choice.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

We are voters not legislators able to cut deals. I tend to base my vote on things I believe or don't believe in not whether I can get something in return or how others vote. I believe in a ban on partial birth abortion as long as there is no health issue, including mental health. It is a reasonable...you got 4 months to make a decision, make one and live with it.

Do the right thing, always, and if you think gay marriage is morally wrong but a ban on it constitutionally indefensible you need to make a choice where you stand and how you vote. Don't try to bargain and hold people hostage because it makes it easier for you to make a choice and feel good about your choice.

LOL on the lecture. You also mention ban on partial birth abortion, not third trimester. You then throw in the caveat of "mental health" which makes a ban basically not worth the paper it's written on. So much for the courage of going against the hard core left's social agenda.

I knew where you were going with this, just wondering how long it would take to get there....and we're at the same spot as always.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

LOL on the lecture. You also mention ban on partial birth abortion, not third trimester. You then throw in the caveat of "mental health" which makes a ban basically not worth the paper it's written on. So much for the courage of going against the hard core left's social agenda.

I knew where you were going with this, just wondering how long it would take to get there....and we're at the same spot as always.

I am more than happy to be the professor. Have you resolved your conflict or you still in limbo? Just know that it isn't necessary for you to display compliance in an online forum.

What would the text of your prop say? Ban third trimester in all cases except when health is an issue but not mental health? I never claimed to go against "hard core leftist social agenda." Where is that coming from? Are you simply throwing an anchor and hoping it catches something?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by saden1

We are voters not legislators able to cut deals. I tend to base my vote on things I believe or don't believe in not

I tend to vote on which I think would be better for the greater population. Though personally I have a lot of conservative views I don't think that my singular opinion should be reflected in the governance of such a diverse nation.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I tend to vote on which I think would be better for the greater population. Though personally I have a lot of conservative views I don't think that my singular opinion should be reflected in the governance of such a diverse nation.

Give me an instance where you voted against your beliefs.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by saden1

Give me an instance where you voted against your beliefs.

Those are his beliefs. He's a Contractarian.