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[MTK]

I really don't see what the big deal is about not carrying around the 2 point chart. Seems that any experienced coach should have a good sense of when to go for 2. I'd be interested to know how many coaches carry the chart vs not.

As far as the other night, I honestly don't see where that's a go for 2 situation even if it was a regular season game.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I really don't see what the big deal is about not carrying around the 2 point chart. Seems that any experienced coach should have a good sense of when to go for 2. I'd be interested to know how many coaches carry the chart vs not.

As far as the other night, I honestly don't see where that's a go for 2 situation even if it was a regular season game.

Agreed. I think most fans sitting at home can do the remedial math in their head (even after a few Dogfish Head 60 min). Plus I got to think the OC in the box has that ready to go.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Agreed. I think most fans sitting at home can do the remedial math in their head (even after a few Dogfish Head 60 min). Plus I got to think the OC in the box has that ready to go.

Exactly. This is such a non issue.......lol

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I really don't see what the big deal is about not carrying around the 2 point chart. Seems that any experienced coach should have a good sense of when to go for 2. I'd be interested to know how many coaches carry the chart vs not.

As far as the other night, I honestly don't see where that's a go for 2 situation even if it was a regular season game.

Yeah, my opinion is that if a head coach needs to go to a chart to make a decision on a 2 pt conversion, he's likely struggling to handle the game management aspect of football from a much wider perspective.

It's free to have the chart on the sideline, but I believe it is rarely practical to use it as the be-all-end-all. If you're down 16 with five minutes to go, and you score a touchdown, the chart says to go for two. If you don't understand the logic behind why the chart says this, I really don't want you coaching my team.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

As far as the other night, I honestly don't see where that's a go for 2 situation even if it was a regular season game.

In a regular season game, it's an easy go for two situation. Win probability is unchanged at 4 or 5 points up w/2 minutes to go. It is changed at 6 points up because you at least make the kicker execute the point after.


So while it likely doesn't matter, you've got to make it a six point lead if given the opportunity. If the improbable happens, and they return the kick for a score and get the two point conversion and lead by three (instead of one), a coach will be raked over the coals for missing an obvious opportunity to increase his chances of winning. So while it probably doesn't matter, any time he can hedge against mass criticism, a coach must do it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

In a regular season game, it's an easy go for two situation. Win probability is unchanged at 4 or 5 points up w/2 minutes to go. It is changed at 6 points up because you at least make the kicker execute the point after.


So while it likely doesn't matter, you've got to make it a six point lead if given the opportunity. If the improbable happens, and they return the kick for a score and get the two point conversion and lead by three (instead of one), a coach will be raked over the coals for missing an obvious opportunity to increase his chances of winning. So while it probably doesn't matter, any time he can hedge against mass criticism, a coach must do it.

At least one person sees some of my reasoning. Lol.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Lotus

At least one person sees some of my reasoning. Lol.

I understand but certain people ripped the Ravens for practicing a fake punt but people want us to practice 2pt conversions. IMO you can't say NO to this but YES to that.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I understand but certain people ripped the Ravens for practicing a fake punt but people want us to practice 2pt conversions. IMO you can't say NO to this but YES to that.

I didn't rip the Ravens for practicing a fake punt. That is what the preseason is for: practice, as well as getting certain things on film.

I noticed that the Bears went for 2 late in the game so that they could cut the Cards lead to three and increase the chances of overtime. They showed us that just because it is preseason doesn't mean you can't be competitive. It is still a game which should be played the right way.

The chart says go for 2 in that situation against the Jets. We didn't have to open the playbook, just run a regular preseason play and go for two. But we couldn't follow the chart because, unlike other smart and successful coaches, Shanny doesn't need one. He obviously is above the Dungy's and Belichicks of the world.

Remember people, arrogance was a major factor in Shanny's undoing in Denver.