My Thoughts On The Glenn Beck Rally

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't accept Global Climate Change as a thing that mankind has caused and is causing.

However, certainly Global Warming is a misnomer, because it is more that the whole climate is changing (as it has from the beginning, before Science could effectively measure it). That does lead to more extremes both hot and cold weather related.

You don't accept it?

When you burn a hole in the atmosphere which is something that has never happened before you won't get both extremes. The cycle will be broken.

There will only be one extreme.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

You don't accept it?

When you burn a hole in the atmosphere which is something that has never happened before you won't get both extremes. The cycle will be broken.

There will only be one extreme.

And you have the atmospheric data from the 1700 & 1800's to prove this? Or better yet, from the 1000's and 1200's (during the last warming trend)? There are many studies demonstrating that ozone depletion may have occurred in the past due to other factors.

In fairness, human created CFC's likely caused the current Antarctic Ozone depletion but, under the 1987 Montreal Protocols, the CFC's have been essentially eliminated as of 1996 and the Antarctic ozone depletion has begun a recovery. It will take time (50-100 years) and cooperation but the ozone layer is expected to make a complete recovery - yay!!. Even as it recovers, however, the studied climate change data seems to indicate a general wider cooling/warming trend (i.e. - hotter than normal summers, cooler than normal winters). Thus, the former clarion call for humanity's affect on the global climate change ("We burned a hole in the atmosphere!!") is creating conflicting data.

Again, there are soooo many factors that affect the climate to assert humanity as the causation of global climate change is, to my mind, an incredible act of hubris.

[12thMan]

It's funny how people tend to conflate global warming with an increase in tempartures.

I'm trying to up my post count today, sorry.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

It's funny how people tend to conflate global warming with an increase in temperatures.

I'm trying to up my post count today, sorry.

Are you sure you aren't trying to provoke Buster?

[JoeRedskin]

Didn't we have a global warming thread?

Data is piling up that some type of climate change is occuring. IMHO - based on lots of reading over the past years trying to discern the "truth" - data is inconclusive, at best, in tying humanity's actions to the causation of the climate change.

It is such a politicized subject that truly objective and balanced information is hard to find. Each side tends to present facts that support their opinions and no real critical analysis is done. Much of the research and testing done is not goal neutral but, rather, done by scientists who are being paid to find certain conclusions - on both sides of the issue.

So much statistical BS out there and very little critical thinking.

[CRedskinsRule]

I don't accept the principle that man's actions alone and in isolation cause a dramatic shift in a complex environment made up of billions of interacting particles. Nor do I accept as a valid premise that a man driving a 25mpg car has done more to save this vast environment than a man driving a 15mpg car, when every day a single jet flying overhead will use more aviation fuel in a single trip than a 10mpg difference will use in a year or 2. Instead, we have pop stars flying from concert to concert telling the "normal" folk how to save the earth as they light off pyrotechnics which again burn more energy, and cause more polluting in a single event than an urban mother with 2 kids will use in a month.

Bottomline, fear laced with a limited knowledge, and fueled by base scientific "proof", leads to poor education, and even worse policy.

Is the climate changing, absolutely. does a recycled plastic bottle affect it? Drop a tiny grain of sand in the ocean, and tell me if you managed to stop Earl?

[MTK]

Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.

You speaketh the truthiest.

What sayeth the mob to this??

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You speaketh the truthiest.

What sayeth the mob to this??

I cannot decide............

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.

LOL. I can sit and watch Hannity, O'Reilly, the Sunday AM shows, but I can never watch Beck for more than a couple of minutes before clicking out.

[CRedskinsRule]

Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??

My soon to be sister in law got me one of these cards a few weeks ago. Its pretty sweet.

https://www.atr.org/card.html

EDIT: Wow i didnt realize she donated money to get this..... She voted for Obama too, but now absolutely despises him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??

So glad we hit on unicorns, Beck would be proud.

But is this really a case of left vs. right? Left doesn't = non-believer anymore than right = believer.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So glad we hit on unicorns, Beck would be proud.

Damn, I missed the unicorns.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??

lol best post to this thread by far