Other teams cuts - and the obvious should we get them question.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The other 4 guys don't even matter. Any team with Campbell as the starting quarterack has no quarterback.

And the winner is

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[scowan]

Poor Larry Fitzgerald. An absolute stud WR that doesn't even have a competent QB to throw him the ball. He was really downgraded in my fantasy draft this past Monday night, but beyond that, I genuinely feel bad for the guy. His numbers will drop off this year due to no fault of his own.

[Monkeydad]

Anderson has actually put up good numbers at one point in his career, with the Browns.

Leinart has been HORRIBLE in every chance he's gotten, with weapons like Fitz and Boldin...on a team where his replacement took the team to the Super Bowl.

No, Anderson didn't deserve that huge contract from Cleveland after one good year, but he was better than Brady Quinn (who isn't?) and he's better than Leinart too.

Anderson: 2007 - 3,787 yds, 29 TDs, 19 INTs, 3 rushing TDs, 82.5 rating
Career = 46 TDs, 45 INTs

Leinart's best year: 2006 - 2,547 tds, 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 2 rushing TDs, 74.0 rating
Career = 14 TDs, 20 INTs

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Buster

Anderson has actually put up good numbers at one point in his career, with the Browns.

Leinart has been HORRIBLE in every chance he's gotten, with weapons like Fitz and Boldin...on a team where his replacement took the team to the Super Bowl.

No, Anderson didn't deserve that huge contract from Cleveland after one good year, but he was better than Brady Quinn (who isn't?) and he's better than Leinart too.

Anderson: 2007 - 3,787 yds, 29 TDs, 19 INTs, 3 rushing TDs, 82.5 rating
Career = 46 TDs, 45 INTs

Leinart's best year: 2006 - 2,547 tds, 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 2 rushing TDs, 74.0 rating
Career = 14 TDs, 20 INTs

Still had 19 Ints and that was a fluke year, not saying Leinart is Kurt Warner but he's better than Derek Anderson

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Buster

Anderson has actually put up good numbers at one point in his career, with the Browns.

Leinart has been HORRIBLE in every chance he's gotten, with weapons like Fitz and Boldin...on a team where his replacement took the team to the Super Bowl.

No, Anderson didn't deserve that huge contract from Cleveland after one good year, but he was better than Brady Quinn (who isn't?) and he's better than Leinart too.

Anderson: 2007 - 3,787 yds, 29 TDs, 19 INTs, 3 rushing TDs, 82.5 rating
Career = 46 TDs, 45 INTs

Leinart's best year: 2006 - 2,547 tds, 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 2 rushing TDs, 74.0 rating
Career = 14 TDs, 20 INTs

Yeah, but we know Anderson's limits. And you have to remember in his best year, most of him numbers came in one game. Take away the Bengals game in 2007 and he has a QB rating of 79.

Leinart on the other hand knows the offense. He has 3 years of experience with it. On top of that he played well against the Saints in the playoffs last year after Warner went out. Further more he has had a solid preseason. Now either the Cardinals are putting way to much emphasis on preseason games, maybe even so much as game planning, or they just don't like Leinart.

All I know is that Leinart has at least shown enough to get the nod for the first quarter of the season. If things go stale then bring in Anderson, but until then see what you have in Leinart. I mean you need a game manager anyway, God knows he's capable of pulling that off.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Buster

Anderson has actually put up good numbers at one point in his career, with the Browns.

Leinart has been HORRIBLE in every chance he's gotten, with weapons like Fitz and Boldin...on a team where his replacement took the team to the Super Bowl.

No, Anderson didn't deserve that huge contract from Cleveland after one good year, but he was better than Brady Quinn (who isn't?) and he's better than Leinart too.

Anderson: 2007 - 3,787 yds, 29 TDs, 19 INTs, 3 rushing TDs, 82.5 rating
Career = 46 TDs, 45 INTs

Leinart's best year: 2006 - 2,547 tds, 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 2 rushing TDs, 74.0 rating
Career = 14 TDs, 20 INTs

If you're going to use stats, you do have to be responsible enough to not decide your argument before you go to them. I haven't looked, but I'm guessing -- just a "hunch" -- that the reason that you gave us full developmental year totals, but stopped at career TD/INT rate wasn't because lunch was getting cold. I'm guessing its because, career, Leinart either compares favorably to or just embarrasses Derek Anderson.

/checks PFR

All numbers career:

Completion percentage
Leinart -- 57%
Anderson -- 53%

QB Rating
Leinart -- 70.8
Anderson -- 69.7

Sack Rate
Anderson -- 4.1% (probably the one thing Anderson does really well)
Leinart -- 4.6%

Interception Rate
Leinart -- 3.4%
Anderson -- 4.1%

TD Rate
Anderson -- 4.1%
Leinart -- 2.4%

Yards Per Attempt
Leinart -- 6.5
Anderson -- 6.4

Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt
Leinart -- 4.9
Anderson -- 4.9

Clearly, at best, they are equals of each other, and there's no argument based on past evidence to suggest Anderson is better (perhaps that Cardinals O>Browns O, but even that, I mean don't forget about how bad Denny Green's Cards teams were). Leinart leads in all categories that are statistically stable, with the exception of sack rate.

But it's not like Leinart is taking a ton of sacks, he's actually above average if not as good as Anderson. Problem is, when Anderson does throw the ball, bad things tend to happen.

[Monkeydad]

OK, we'll let your heart tell you that, since feelings are more accurate than statistics.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Buster

OK, we'll let your heart tell you that, since feelings are more accurate than statistics.

Did I say that?? Stats don't tell the whole story, both guys suck but if I had a choice Leinart is the less of two evils.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Did I say that?? Stats don't tell the whole story, both guys suck but if I had a choice Leinart is the less of two evils.

Yes...

I'm not denying they're both mediocre-to-bad QBs...but I believe DA is the better of the two, and it seems the Cards' coaching staff and stats seem to agree.

Leinart has had so many chances, and flopped on all of them. They're giving him a longer leash than we gave Ramsey or Campbell. It's time to just cut their losses and move on.

USC QBs don't have a good track record in the NFL. Of Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson and John David Booty, only Carson Palmer has really had any extended success.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Buster

Yes...

I'm not denying they're both mediocre-to-bad QBs...but I believe DA is the better of the two, and it seems the Cards' coaching staff and stats seem to agree.

Leinart has had so many chances, and flopped on all of them. They're giving him a longer leash than we gave Ramsey or Campbell. It's time to just cut their losses and move on.

USC QBs don't have a good track record in the NFL. Of Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson and John David Booty, only Carson Palmer has really had any extended success.

Carson Palmer is not a bad QB. Injuries are what has derailed him that past few years.

[MTK]

Flip a coin between Leinart and Anderson. They both aren't very good. At least DA has somewhat of a track record in this league and has enjoyed some success. Leinart can't even nail down a starting job.

I think the Cards are going with DA because he will at least let it rip and go down the field. Leinart is known as Mr. Check Down. Not the best use of your weapons when you have Fitz, Breaston, Doucet, etc.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Flip a coin between Leinart and Anderson. They both aren't very good. At least DA has somewhat of a track record in this league and has enjoyed some success. Leinart can't even nail down a starting job.

I think the Cards are going with DA because he will at least let it rip and go down the field. Leinart is known as Mr. Check Down. Not the best use of your weapons when you have Fitz, Breaston, Doucet, etc.

Yeah I think that's pretty much it.

Skelton's time will come soon enough

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah I think that's pretty much it.

Skelton's time will come soon enough

If Skelton comes through this whole convo is a moot point.

[MTK]

You have to hate the way Leinart is dealing with being demoted too.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You have to hate the way Leinart is dealing with being demoted too.

If I'm the Cardinals I'm probably more upset if he says yeah that's cool. At least he's getting angry about it, saying he wants to be the starter. That's what you want to hear from your young QB