DWOC's International Burn a Koran Day

[saden1]

He's claiming the Imma has decided to move the "not exactly ground zero" Muslim Community Center in exchange for not burning the Qur'an. I hope this isn't true.




In times of danger don't freeze, time to be a G!

[Lotus]

I wonder what they will do with all of the Qur'ans that they had ready to burn. You can't just throw them away, that would be sacrilege.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I wonder what they will do with all of the Qur'ans that they had ready to burn. You can't just throw them away, that would be sacrilege.

I would return them for a refund though I would suspect all sales of the Qur'an are final.

[InsaneBoost]

Didn't they kick him out of another church for stealing money from them? LOL, don't know how people follow morons like this, but whatever.

[CRedskinsRule]

FD, this is about building bridges not burning them. Yes there are Muslims who hate us, and there are Muslims who believe that all non-believers should be killed. Nothing we do or don't do is going to change that segment's beliefs en masse. HOWEVER, by not doing idiotic things, and showing the same type of compassion that the good samaritan (in Jesus' parable) showed, or that Martin Luther King Jr discussed in his I have a dream speech, or that the founders wrote in the pre-amble to our constitution, (the list goes on) we can live up to our own ideals. If we live up to our own ideals maybe we will give those who could be swayed either way - to radicalism or a non-radical life view- a stronger footing in peaceful divergence of religion.

Saying they started it at this point is a relatively shallow and immature way of dealing with complex, intense, religious devotions on either side of this problem.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If we live up to our own ideals maybe we will give those who could be swayed either way - to radicalism or a non-radical life view- a stronger footing in peaceful divergence of religion.

i, speaking as one american, am getting real tired of trying to "sway" islamics who are on the fence about whether to practice their religion peacefully or become radicals.

the islamic believers who we see everyday on the news protestring this or that arent going to be swayed. if its not this pastor threatening to burn the koran (which is justified to be angry about but its a bit funny and hypocritical for them to react with violence and threats of violence and burning the american flag to achieve their "quest" for peace), there will just be some other thing that they are mad about.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i, speaking as one american, am getting real tired of trying to "sway" islamics who are on the fence about whether to practice their religion peacefully or become radicals.

the islamic believers who we see everyday on the news protestring this or that arent going to be swayed. if its not this pastor threatening to burn the koran (which is justified to be angry about but its a bit funny and hypocritical for them to react with violence and threats of violence and burning the american flag to achieve their "quest" for peace), there will just be some other thing that they are mad about.

I understand what you are saying OTM, and I don't mean to suggest we would sway the radical element, rather we should live up to our own ideals and in doing so, set a tone of mending fences rather then stoking fires

[Hog1]

As an American this guy has the "right". It is part of what makes America great!
F R E E D O M.
It does not mean it has to be popular SEE Klan rally, Gay rights parade, Nation of Islam, etc.
In general, if we are to be guided in our ability to govern ourselves based on the "popularity" of our laws or actions with a some....nutjobs worldwide, we will cease to be America. I view that proposition as a disgrace.........
AND he apparently has gotten the attention of the people involved in building the Ground Zero Mosque? Which has cause SO much unrest Nationwide?

[Chico23231]

Obama press conference he stated:

President Obama says the idea that "we would burn the sacred texts of someone else's religion is contrary to what this country stands for." He said he hopes a Florida pastor "prays on it" and refrains from doing it.

Well said.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Obama press conference he stated:

President Obama says the idea that "we would burn the sacred texts of someone else's religion is contrary to what this country stands for." He said he hopes a Florida pastor "prays on it" and refrains from doing it.

Well said.

But it's OK to burn the sacred text of "our" religion. Ironic?

Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan - CNN.com

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

But it's OK to burn the sacred text of "our" religion. Ironic?

Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan - CNN.com

I wouldn't say any of it is ok

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

But it's OK to burn the sacred text of "our" religion. Ironic?

Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan - CNN.com

Good interesting article. But the context of comparing the two pretty far off.

Back-woods ignorant redneck pastor is getting this all this press. This guy seriously thinks this is a war on Islam. Laughable of the ignorance of this country and anyone who agrees with what he is doing. Putting our military at risk, including a close friend of mine located outside of Kandahar. Maybe we need to put this guy on a plane and send him over there to preach, cause no sensible American would agree with what this guy is doing. Where is Glenn Beck to give history lessons regarding freedom of religion?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Good interesting article. But the context of comparing the two pretty far off.

Back-woods ignorant redneck pastor is getting this all this press. This guy seriously thinks this is a war on Islam. Laughable of the ignorance of this country and anyone who agrees with what he is doing. Putting our military at risk, including a close friend of mine located outside of Kandahar. Maybe we need to put this guy on a plane and send him over there to preach, cause no sensible American would agree with what this guy is doing. Where is Glenn Beck to give history lessons regarding freedom of religion?

No comparison between the acts other than sacred texts burned or threatened to be burned.

What is interesting is the response to each act. Many Muslims threatened violence world-wide, yet no Christians I am aware of committed or threatened violence over the burned Bibles. Even the soldier the Bibles were sent to surrendered them without incident, and it appears he was an Evangelical.

Considering this incident has been made public and in light of the President's comments over the Quran incident, it would seem appropriate he issue some sort of statement, or policy through Sec Gates, stating that the military would not be throwing away as trash, and/or burning any Bibles. They could be donated somewhere outside the danger zone or returned to the folks that sent them with a warning to not resend them.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

No comparison between the acts other than sacred texts burned or threatened to be burned.

What is interesting is the response to each act. Many Muslims threatened violence world-wide, yet no Christians I am aware of committed or threatened violence over the burned Bibles. Even the soldier the Bibles were sent to surrendered them without incident, and it appears he was an Evangelical.

Considering this incident has been made public and in light of the President's comments over the Quran incident, it would seem appropriate he issue some sort of statement, or policy through Sec Gates, stating that the military would not be throwing away as trash, and/or burning any Bibles. They could be donated somewhere outside the danger zone or returned to the folks that sent them with a warning to not resend them.

We're seeing violence acts against Muslims now in America without them having to burn the Bible. It's one thing for US personal to burn the Bible an entirely another for Muslims to do so for the sole purpose of Aggravating Christians. Burning the Qur'an is an absolute no-no by anyone, be it Christian or Muslim or a Jew.

For Christians, Jesus is the word of God. For Muslims, the Quran is the word of God. Imagine someone burning Jesus.

-Emad El-Din Shahin

The military got the sense that those churches will keep sending proselytizing Bibles and like the military personal said, if they returned them they will send them right back to another organization and thus give the impression that the Military is there to proselytize. They've made a tactical decision, one which I am sure was difficult. As for Obama making a statement, why would he? He wasn't president when the incident took place. If you want them to have a military policy to burn all trash except the Bible you have my support. I will not support distributing them or donating them somewhere outside the danger zone.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

No comparison between the acts other than sacred texts burned or threatened to be burned.

What is interesting is the response to each act. Many Muslims threatened violence world-wide, yet no Christians I am aware of committed or threatened violence over the burned Bibles. Even the soldier the Bibles were sent to surrendered them without incident, and it appears he was an Evangelical.

Considering this incident has been made public and in light of the President's comments over the Quran incident, it would seem appropriate he issue some sort of statement, or policy through Sec Gates, stating that the military would not be throwing away as trash, and/or burning any Bibles. They could be donated somewhere outside the danger zone or returned to the folks that sent them with a warning to not resend them.

SHAZAM.....is it not amazing indeed...war mongering Chrisitans and peace loving Muslims...who would have thought?