The never ending Jason Campbell player haters ball

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Hmmm, I wonder if we're going to have this problem. I mean McNabb sucks. Maybe if he was white I would give him the benefit of the doubt but only 400 passing yards. Wow, I throw for more then that on Madden.
Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights

Really??

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Hmmm, I wonder if we're going to have this problem. I mean McNabb sucks. Maybe if he was white I would give him the benefit of the doubt but only 400 passing yards. Wow, I throw for more then that on Madden.
Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights

As a Chinese dude myself, I hate it when minorities try to point to "inequality of outcome" as "people are judging unequally" with annoying frequency.

First, Turd doesn't know what "confounding variable" is.
Second, turd doesn't realize that "inequality of outcome" DOES NOT MEAN "unequal judgement". If you're going to judge based on performance, and the QB's performance is sooooo goddamn awful that a change is required, IT DOESN'T MATTER if the dude white, black, etc.
Third, Mr. Abraham bunches up a bunch of white individuals into a "white establishment". Here, he shows a lack discretion when judging people.
Finally, stats are a shitty measure of capturing the moment.

[pg86]

Doug williams book comes to mind here...Wtf where did you find that anyway

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by pg86

Doug williams book comes to mind here...Wtf where did you find that anyway

I googled "Jason Campbell benched." The article appeared under the news results.

[pg86]

And they cut poor Colt Brenan! lol

[SirClintonPortis]

Cable declares a controversy-free zone - Inside the Oakland Raiders - A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group

He's "dead" now.

[MonkFan4Life]

Zennie62 should read that Cable article then he might put his deck of race cards away. Use it when it makes sense, not now. This is what football is about. If you're good then you're good, if you suck you suck.


Q: Is it a setback at all in that you have Jason as the No. 1 guy since April, and then a game and a half into the season you switch gears? Or does the fact that Bruce was around last year make it easier to switch?

Cable: I think before you go into all that or read into all that, it’s about winning on Sundays. A decision was made yesterday to do that. Some of the benefits to it are the fact that Bruce has been around, yes, but if you remember, he’s had less work in the new system than Jason.


That's why he was benched, not because he was black. It's about winning, which he doesn't put them in the position to do.

[MonkFan4Life]

Q: Should Campbell have recognized the Raiders were in the wrong formation on fourth-and-1 and called a time out?


Cable: Yeah, absolutely. In the heat of the battle, whatever it is, we didn’t get it done. I tried to fix it, but (the officials) weren’t paying attention to us.


This is what I was talking about when I bashed him. Gotta be better than that.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Q: Should Campbell have recognized the Raiders were in the wrong formation on fourth-and-1 and called a time out?
Cable: Yeah, absolutely. In the heat of the battle, whatever it is, we didn’t get it done. I tried to fix it, but (the officials) weren’t paying attention to us.
This is what I was talking about when I bashed him. Gotta be better than that.

wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by 30gut

wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.

Really 30gut ? Really ? How many times have coaches or fellow players taken the blame for Jason ****ing up ? A lot, believe that. Slim if he sees it he can CALL AN AUDIBLE !!!!!

I'm black, I've been profiled, felt the sting of racism and all that you can't pull that the man is holding the brotha down bullshit. Not in this instance. He's just sorry IMO. Take that play away, and I'm pretty sure they would've lost that game had he stayed under center. Cable knew it, the team knew it. THAT is why you will see Jason on the bench, or standing there holding a clipboard. NOT because he's black, African American, Zulu, Wachutu, or just a guy from the south. Make Campbell a white guy and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get so much sympathy. I'm just saying. This shouldn't be a race issue, it's a skill issue. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't drafted there so there is no loyalty and very little patience. He just lacks the skills to be an above average QB, if your team isn't full of Pro Bowlers that are the best at their position and can win on their own, they just need a guy to say "Hike" then he's not your guy.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Really 30gut ? Really ? How many times have coaches or fellow players taken the blame for Jason ****ing up ? A lot, believe that. Slim if he sees it he can CALL AN AUDIBLE !!!!!

I'm black, I've been profiled, felt the sting of racism and all that you can't pull that the man is holding the brotha down bullshit. Not in this instance. He's just sorry IMO. Take that play away, and I'm pretty sure they would've lost that game had he stayed under center. Cable knew it, the team knew it. THAT is why you will see Jason on the bench, or standing there holding a clipboard. NOT because he's black, African American, Zulu, Wachutu, or just a guy from the south. Make Campbell a white guy and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get so much sympathy. I'm just saying. This shouldn't be a race issue, it's a skill issue. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't drafted there so there is no loyalty and very little patience. He just lacks the skills to be an above average QB, if your team isn't full of Pro Bowlers that are the best at their position and can win on their own, they just need a guy to say "Hike" then he's not your guy.

Did you even read my post?

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Sanchez is Hispanic. A very fine one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...

Yes, Sanchez is hispanic thank you for the correction.
LoL, and um i guess he's fine? I guess he's a decent looking guy?
Look it, i'm not saying its outwardly about race.
But just take an honest look at the trends......it could simply be an abberation but it would appear that blacks have a shorter leash then non-black.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Did you even read my post?

Yeah and I also noticed how you pasted the article right after you said what you said. But let's get to your point. It wasn't an illegal formation just the wrong formation. QB's that know their playbook can make adjustments at the line. OR if you know what formation you are supposed to be in, you can call a timeout. Sort of like if you see that a blitz is coming you can change the protection, which is something else that he doesn't like to do.

You're right that many QB's make the mistakes that Jason makes, but the good ones have more positives. And until he finds a way to have more of those, then he'll ride the pine.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.

Sanchez is Hispanic. A very fine one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Sanchez is Hispanic. A very fine one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...

Buddy Ryan was known to have racist tendencies. Just ask David Duerson. However, i think that was a reflection of that time in the NFL, and not so much Buddy Ryan the person.

[Hog1]

I imagine Zennie knows the real story as well....BUT that's not provocative or interesting............