The never ending Jason Campbell player haters ball

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

My God, why is this thread still open?

Because if he were playing well in Oakland there would be one about that, only it would be at about 30 pages by now.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Because if he were playing well in Oakland there would be one about that, only it would be at about 30 pages by now.

And it would be just as worthless.

[denim_monger]

man alive why do you fools care about your old qb anymore, you gots one of the best now with mcnugget !!!!!!!!

still not as good as my man shaub though yowser!!!!!!

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by denim_monger

man alive why do you fools care about your old qb anymore, you gots one of the best now with mcnugget !!!!!!!!

still not as good as my man shaub though yowser!!!!!!

Don't come on here with that Bandwagon stuff lol And McNabb is still better than shaub.. Matt needs Great Wrs to be successful, DMac never does.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Don't come on here with that Bandwagon stuff lol And McNabb is still better than shaub.. Matt needs Great Wrs to be successful, DMac never does.

LOL, sorry, but I would take Shaub in a heartbeat over DMac. Love DMac, but Schaub right now is the better QB.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

LOL, sorry, but I would take Shaub in a heartbeat over DMac. Love DMac, but Schaub right now is the better QB.

I would rather take Andre Johnson and a running game to go along with McNabb.

[SirClintonPortis]

That article is load of bull because it cites stats, but doesn't comment on how the QB was playing with regards to all the other throws he was attempting.

Flacco threw 4 picks, but he also came out of the gate with a TD drive to begin the second half against a good defense.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

That article is load of bull because it cites stats, but doesn't comment on how the QB was playing with regards to all the other throws he was attempting.

Dude, the article isn't trying to parse wether the QBs were playing poorly or not i think the author would concede that either all the QBs were playing poorly and should have been benched or that all the QBs were playing poorly and deserved to work their way through it. But, either way he's not claiming that the black QBs were playing well. The article is pointing out that it appears that when 2 QBs are playing poorly it appears that the black QB is more likely to get pulled.

Flacco threw 4 picks, but he also came out of the gate with a TD drive to begin the second half against a good defense.

Good point but if Flacco would have been pulled (which many silly Baltimore fan's wanted) he would have never had the chance to throw the TD to start the 2nd half.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Dude, the article isn't trying to parse wether the QBs were playing poorly or not i think the author would concede that either all the QBs were playing poorly and should have been benched or that all the QBs were playing poorly and deserved to work their way through it. But, either way he's not claiming that the black QBs were playing well. The article is pointing out that it appears that when 2 QBs are playing poorly it appears that the black QB is more likely to get pulled.



Good point but if Flacco would have been pulled (which many silly Baltimore fan's wanted) he would have never had the chance to throw the TD to start the 2nd half.

You missed my point.
I'll simplify: He did not say anything about how the QB was playing on the other plays of the game. The interceptions are only 1-4 plays in a game. How was the QB playing for all of the other plays? No analysis in that regard whatsoever.

I remember McNabb's debacle in Baltimore. He wasn't just throwing picks, he was in a "VERY COLD" mode throughout the half. Kolb comes in, leads them down the field, and then Reed picks him off in the end zone.

Campbell sounded like he was having a repeat of the Kansas City game here.

As for Flacco, I didn't watch the game, but some of his passes were thrown to Housh, who promptly dropped them and killed some of their drives.

More likely to be pulled within the small, but there is no "generic one-brained white establishment" here. It's Andy Reid, Jeff Fisher, and Tom Cable and whatever is going on in their heads vs. the other coaches.
Now Young's case is an interesting one, but I don't know if it's like pulling the goalie in blowout in hockey.

Campbell is no surprise, He's a Celeron Processor. He may have nice Ghz, but his lack of an L2 cache is glaringly obvious. He also needs bigger fans to cool him.

As for Vick, I think Reid has a fat ego and just wants his Mr. Cob to be the one, regardless.

As for Tarvaris, Childress was IN LOVE with the guy when he first drafted him. But Brett Favre PROVED he was miles ahead of him.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

You missed my point.
I'll simplify: He did not say anything about how the QB was playing on the other plays of the game. The interceptions are only 1-4 plays in a game. How was the QB playing for all of the other plays? No analysis in that regard whatsoever.

I don't want to quible with you but if a QB throws 3-4-5 picks he's not playing well.
I don't think it needs much more analysis.
I'm not saying they got pulled because they're black and it was a willful decision based on race.
No.
What i'm saying is that if you objectively look at the scenarios net-net it would appear that if 2 QBs are having bad games that a black QB is more likely to get pulled.

I'm not trying to add anything more to it then that; i'm just looking at the raw data.

As for Tarvaris, Childress was IN LOVE with the guy when he first drafted him. But Brett Favre PROVED he was miles ahead of him.

You're getting the timeline mixed up.
Jackson was benched the year before Favre got there.
They Vikings had a rough few games and Jackson got benched.
I remember virtually everyone disagreed with the move ESPN/NFLN.
Brad Childress is the original 'master of panic'
Later on that season Jackson is back in the line-up and has the best 4 games of any QB in the league not named Manning and the Vikings go to the playoffs.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't want to quible with you but if a QB throws 3-4-5 picks he's not playing well.
I don't think it needs much more analysis.
I'm not saying they got pulled because they're black and it was a willful decision based on race.
No.
What i'm saying is that if you objectively look at the scenarios net-net it would appear that if 2 QBs are having bad games that a black QB is more likely to get pulled.

I'm not trying to add anything more to it then that; i'm just looking at the raw data.



You're getting the timeline mixed up.
Jackson was benched the year before Favre got there.
They Vikings had a rough few games and Jackson got benched.
I remember virtually everyone disagreed with the move ESPN/NFLN.
Brad Childress is the original 'master of panic'
Later on that season Jackson is back in the line-up and has the best 4 games of any QB in the league not named Manning and the Vikings go to the playoffs.

I'll keep paragraphs extra short so you stop making these annoying inferences that do not satisfy Leibniz's Law.

In the aggregate, four interceptions mean a bad game. But it doesn't say anything CONCLUSIVE about the non-interception attempts. That's what someone who didn't watch game does not know.

Yes, it's probable the QB had many other bad plays, but if you didn't watch the game, you don't know. If you did watch the game, the you have to analyze their play more deeply. At least cover the "trends".

Stats are not "raw" data. It's a shorthand substitute for the real data that accounts for everything that happened. Data is "lost in transmission". Can you understand "lost in transmission"?

The official stats ONLY record the outcome of the plays, not the everything else that was going only. Stuff like whiffed blocks, bad routes, boneheaded throws are all LOST when they go to the stat sheet.

I know Jackson's situation. Everyone disagreed because they thought Favre's skills deteriorated the season prior and they were annoyed with his indecision. I also know that early that season, Jackson was strained mentally with off the field stuff and at the end of the season, that was behind him. To expect him to somehow play well WHILE IT WAS STILL GOING ON, is begging for the near-impossible.

But still, his damn perferomance was the primary reason he got his ass benched, and I'm pretty sure if I ever watched those games, I won't be giving high reviews of Jackson. The fact that the woke up after Ferrotte stepped in is more than enough to infer that Jackson's play was THAT BAD.

And btw, it's not like no white QBs have sucked soooo bad that they keep the position they're handed. Sure, the two(Leinart's first benching and Heath Shuler) I'm thinking of were replaced by white guys, but their replacements outperformed them by a mile.

[takethecake]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Campbell is no surprise, He's a Celeron Processor. He may have nice Ghz, but his lack of an L2 cache is glaringly obvious. He also needs bigger fans to cool him.

GREAT analogy haha

[skinsfaninok]

Examining Oakland's QB dilemma - AFC West Blog - ESPN

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Examining Oakland's QB dilemma - AFC West Blog - ESPN

Oakland should've spent whatever they traded for Campbell on an offensive lineman. They are a terrible team and they got a mediocre QB to go along with that terrible offensive line.

As the Cowpukes have shown, you won't get anywhere with a terrible offensive line. Unless you have an elite QB like Rodgers or P. Manning or Brees. Then again, Al Davis runs that team, so this whole mess is not surprising.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Examining Oakland's QB dilemma - AFC West Blog - ESPN

Interesting article.

Originally Posted by Bill Williamson/Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc

Williamson said Campbell is a drop-back quarterback who can have success in the vertical passing game, which works well with Oakland’s receivers and their offensive philosophy. However, because of Oakland’s poor offensive line, Campbell is a bad fit because he can’t get out of trouble on his own and has no time to set up the long pass. That was evident in Campbell’s six quarters as Oakland’s quarterback in Weeks 1 and 2.

Williamson thinks Gradkowski is the type of player who can make do with Oakland’s weak offensive line because he gets the ball out of hands quickly and he makes plays with his feet. When the protection breaks down, Gradkowski can keep plays going. But Williamson said he doesn’t believe Gradkowski possesses the big arm to use Oakland’s fleet receivers and he isn’t a perfect fit for Oakland’s offensive scheme.

I think Williamson underestimates Campbell ability in the short rhythm passing game.
Although it doesn't use his strengths Campbell ,at least in my opinion, proved that he can execute a 3-5 step drop passing game with effeciency that's a positive from his time in Washington he improved as quick rhythm timing QB b/c Zorn and the lack of pass protection forced him.
Look at Campbells play when Bingo Lewis was calling plays.