Game Goats

[SirClintonPortis]

And I have to say that Pocket actually cares more about being objective than Scud. My $.02.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

And I have to say that Pocket actually cares more about being objective than Scud. My $.02.

?? More objective in general or just about Haynesworth? I feel like I'm pretty realistic and objective when it comes to this team.

Not sure how apologizing for a distracting team cancer every chance you get is objective, but sure. You're entitled to your opinion.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

?? More objective in general or just about Haynesworth? I feel like I'm pretty realistic and objective when it comes to this team.

Not sure how apologizing for a distracting team cancer every chance you get is objective, but sure. You're entitled to your opinion.

Scud, I firmly believe that the fans are distracted. Do you think the team really cares that much? I would think if he was a distraction to his teammates, he would have gone long ago.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Scud, I firmly believe that the fans are distracted. Do you think the team really cares that much? I would think if he was a distraction to his teammates, he would have gone long ago.

Of course the fans are WAY more distracted than the team. It's just frustrating when a player of his caliber won't buy into a proven successful system.

The players can dumb it down as much as they want, but Haynesworth's antics are obviously more distracting than if he was just playing and playing hard.

That crybaby look on his face when he was pouting by himself on the sidelines was just pathetic.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Of course the fans are WAY more distracted than the team. It's just frustrating when a player of his caliber won't buy into a proven successful system.

The players can dumb it down as much as they want, but Haynesworth's antics are obviously more distracting than if he was just playing and playing hard.

That crybaby look on his face when he was pouting by himself on the sidelines was just pathetic.

Was he really pouting though? I remember games last year when he gets in a type of "angry zone" when he plays. When he was pacing by himself, I saw it more as he is pumping himself up more than trying to send a message to the coaches. They played him after that, so I don't think he was causing problems. I wasn't on the sidelines so I don't know for sure.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Was he really pouting though? I remember games last year when he gets in a type of "angry zone" when he plays. When he was pacing by himself, I saw it more as he is pumping himself up more than trying to send a message to the coaches. They played him after that, so I don't think he was causing problems. I wasn't on the sidelines so I don't know for sure.

He's known for that

didn't look like a pouting face to me

[GMScud]

Well, given the amount of posts dedicated to Albert Ain'tworth in this thread, I guess it's safe to say he's a "Game Goat."

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Was he really pouting though? I remember games last year when he gets in a type of "angry zone" when he plays. When he was pacing by himself, I saw it more as he is pumping himself up more than trying to send a message to the coaches. They played him after that, so I don't think he was causing problems. I wasn't on the sidelines so I don't know for sure.

That's what I was thinking, actually. It reminded me of before the Falcons game last year.
IMO, the problem with AH is he cares more about his personal stat line than that of winning. If he can inflict pain and get sacks in a 50-0 blowout loss, I think he's fine with that. But a win when he is basically a non-factor and he's pissed off. A lot of the times when he was getting manhandled was because he was trying to go lateral instead of standing up and taking on blockers (like a NT is supposed to). At end, he might be able to contribute this year, but unless he completely changes his mindset (highly unlikely) he will only be a pass rusher from the middle of the DL much like Holliday is.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by rypper11

That's what I was thinking, actually. It reminded me of before the Falcons game last year.
IMO, the problem with AH is he cares more about his personal stat line than that of winning. If he can inflict pain and get sacks in a 50-0 blowout loss, I think he's fine with that. But a win when he is basically a non-factor and he's pissed off. A lot of the times when he was getting manhandled was because he was trying to go lateral instead of standing up and taking on blockers (like a NT is supposed to). At end, he might be able to contribute this year, but unless he completely changes his mindset (highly unlikely) he will only be a pass rusher from the middle of the DL much like Holliday is.

He cares about winning, but he also wants to win in his way, for the most part.

He's likely not going to get either here(and if he does get a ring, he still won't be totally happy), although he might get to play "his way" if he went to Dallas, because the NT over there is in a penetrator role. He won't be winning a Super Bowl though.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GMScud

?? More objective in general or just about Haynesworth? I feel like I'm pretty realistic and objective when it comes to this team.

Not sure how apologizing for a distracting team cancer every chance you get is objective, but sure. You're entitled to your opinion.

Even team cancers can have their share of good or ok plays. That's what he's trying to point out. If you want to deny the plays that he was alright on though, provide evidence said plays didn't happen. Simple.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Even team cancers can have their share of good or ok plays. That's what he's trying to point out. If you want to deny the plays that he was alright on though, provide evidence said plays didn't happen. Simple.

i dont think anyone is saying he didnt have some alright plays. alright plays meaning he held his ground or didnt get pushed back to far on running plays. he certainly didnt have any great plays.

my original comment was that haynesworth got tossed by gurode a few times. its football, it happens. pocket straight thinks he didnt. no big deal, not the first time 2 fans watch the same game and have different impressions of what happened.

pocket straight (im guessing) thinks haynesworth had a good game for the opportunities he had. i just made the comment that haynesworth got tossed atlest twice, they showed replays of 'em and collinsworth made repeated comments on it. pocket straight disagrees that he got "tossed around". no biggie.

i didnt even talk about how haynesworth would try and shoot a gap from the NT position, thereby opening big running lanes for the boys runningbacks which is more subjective and open to interpretation (i dont exactly know what the NT duties are in haslett's scheme but eating up blockers is generally consider priority no 1 for NT).

i thought my comment that "haynesworth got tossed on atleast 2 plays" was an innocent fact and not meant to take a stab at haynesworth. i am sooooo tired of talking about haynesworth.

like skisn69 said, haynesworth is just another body right now. no better than a kedric golston or joey salave. of course, those guys would actually stick to their responsibilities and eat up blockers if playing the NT and not try and penetrate like a pass rushing end but whatevaaa . . .

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Even team cancers can have their share of good or ok plays. That's what he's trying to point out. If you want to deny the plays that he was alright on though, provide evidence said plays didn't happen. Simple.

It seemed to me that pocket has been trying to point out that this defense can't be successful without AH and that it's the coaches' fault if AH is whiny b**** who doesn't play hard.

Occasionally, AH made plays. Occasionally, he seemingly got pushed around or took himself out of the play. Never did it appear - to me anyway - that he was dominating in the way one would expect for a player of his talent. Rather, he did enough to get along which, b/c of his talent, is better than most.

W/ or w/out him, the defense will be okay. It's got its issues but a half-assed AH ain't gonna solve them and, unless the coaches toss their "team first" bottom line aside for a "oh pretty please Albert, we would like you to play hard and we will design a defense just for you and do whatever it takes to get you your stats" mentality, AH's attitude ain't gonna change. I think last night proved that.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It seemed to me that pocket has been trying to point out that this defense can't be successful without AH and that it's the coaches' fault if AH is whiny b**** who doesn't play hard.

Occasionally, AH made plays. Occasionally, he seemingly got pushed around or took himself out of the play. Never did it appear - to me anyway - that he was dominating in the way one would expect for a player of his talent. Rather, he did enough to get along which, b/c of his talent, is better than most.

W/ or w/out him, the defense will be okay. It's got its issues but a half-assed AH ain't gonna solve them and, unless the coaches toss their "team first" bottom line aside for a "oh pretty please Albert, we would like you to play hard and we will design a defense just for you and do whatever it takes to get you your stats" mentality, AH's attitude ain't gonna happen. I think last night proved that.

It isn't that they will be unsuccessful, I think they could be more successful with him playing. In my opinion Albert is an unusual talent. He is a guy, when used properly, who has DPOY ability. I don't think that anyone else on the defense has that kind of talent and it bothers me to have someone like that on the team who has isn't being used. Our coaches are being paid a lot of money and sometimes you have to deal with some bad when someone is that good. Jimmy Johnson never had an issue. Hell, Marvin Lewis accomplished a lot with a bunch of characters last year.

I don't want 8-8, I want at least 9-7 or 10-6 with a possible division win and some type of playoff run. The Jets showed that a dominant defense can get a team with offensive issues close to the promised land. Getting to the playoffs is one thing but to succeed you need talent and the ability to create mismatches. IMO Albert is the only guy on the line that can consistently create a mismatch.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

It isn't that they will be unsuccessful, I think they could be more successful with him playing. In my opinion Albert is an unusual talent. He is a guy, when used properly, who has DPOY ability. I don't think that anyone else on the defense has that kind of talent and it bothers me to have someone like that on the team who has isn't being used. Our coaches are being paid a lot of money and sometimes you have to deal with some bad when someone is that good. Jimmy Johnson never had an issue. Hell, Marvin Lewis accomplished a lot with a bunch of characters last year.

I don't want 8-8, I want at least 9-7 or 10-6 with a possible division win and some type of playoff run. The Jets showed that a dominant defense can get a team with offensive issues close to the promised land. Getting to the playoffs is one thing but to succeed you need talent and the ability to create mismatches. IMO Albert is the only guy on the line that can consistently create a mismatch.

Not really, they'll probably just run draws to his side all day until he grows up mentally.
He's probably better off playing for Son of Bum or anyone else in the Bum Phillip's coordinator tree because they let their NT penetrate... We are the Super-Lite version of Pittsburgh.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

It isn't that they will be unsuccessful, I think they could be more successful with him playing. In my opinion Albert is an unusual talent. He is a guy, when used properly, who has DPOY ability. I don't think that anyone else on the defense has that kind of talent and it bothers me to have someone like that on the team who has isn't being used. Our coaches are being paid a lot of money and sometimes you have to deal with some bad when someone is that good. Jimmy Johnson never had an issue. Hell, Marvin Lewis accomplished a lot with a bunch of characters last year.

I don't want 8-8, I want at least 9-7 or 10-6 with a possible division win and some type of playoff run. The Jets showed that a dominant defense can get a team with offensive issues close to the promised land. Getting to the playoffs is one thing but to succeed you need talent and the ability to create mismatches. IMO Albert is the only guy on the line that can consistently create a mismatch.

Have you actually watched this guy since he's been here? Have you actually listened to what other players say about the guy? He's not as good as you think he is and the proof is in his play. And Jimmy Johnson had characters but they would've never gotten away with coming to camp out of shape and loafing. JJ is no non sense when it came to that.