The never ending Jason Campbell player haters ball

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

You missed my point.
I'll simplify: He did not say anything about how the QB was playing on the other plays of the game. The interceptions are only 1-4 plays in a game. How was the QB playing for all of the other plays? No analysis in that regard whatsoever.

I don't want to quible with you but if a QB throws 3-4-5 picks he's not playing well.
I don't think it needs much more analysis.
I'm not saying they got pulled because they're black and it was a willful decision based on race.
No.
What i'm saying is that if you objectively look at the scenarios net-net it would appear that if 2 QBs are having bad games that a black QB is more likely to get pulled.

I'm not trying to add anything more to it then that; i'm just looking at the raw data.

As for Tarvaris, Childress was IN LOVE with the guy when he first drafted him. But Brett Favre PROVED he was miles ahead of him.

You're getting the timeline mixed up.
Jackson was benched the year before Favre got there.
They Vikings had a rough few games and Jackson got benched.
I remember virtually everyone disagreed with the move ESPN/NFLN.
Brad Childress is the original 'master of panic'
Later on that season Jackson is back in the line-up and has the best 4 games of any QB in the league not named Manning and the Vikings go to the playoffs.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't want to quible with you but if a QB throws 3-4-5 picks he's not playing well.
I don't think it needs much more analysis.
I'm not saying they got pulled because they're black and it was a willful decision based on race.
No.
What i'm saying is that if you objectively look at the scenarios net-net it would appear that if 2 QBs are having bad games that a black QB is more likely to get pulled.

I'm not trying to add anything more to it then that; i'm just looking at the raw data.



You're getting the timeline mixed up.
Jackson was benched the year before Favre got there.
They Vikings had a rough few games and Jackson got benched.
I remember virtually everyone disagreed with the move ESPN/NFLN.
Brad Childress is the original 'master of panic'
Later on that season Jackson is back in the line-up and has the best 4 games of any QB in the league not named Manning and the Vikings go to the playoffs.

I'll keep paragraphs extra short so you stop making these annoying inferences that do not satisfy Leibniz's Law.

In the aggregate, four interceptions mean a bad game. But it doesn't say anything CONCLUSIVE about the non-interception attempts. That's what someone who didn't watch game does not know.

Yes, it's probable the QB had many other bad plays, but if you didn't watch the game, you don't know. If you did watch the game, the you have to analyze their play more deeply. At least cover the "trends".

Stats are not "raw" data. It's a shorthand substitute for the real data that accounts for everything that happened. Data is "lost in transmission". Can you understand "lost in transmission"?

The official stats ONLY record the outcome of the plays, not the everything else that was going only. Stuff like whiffed blocks, bad routes, boneheaded throws are all LOST when they go to the stat sheet.

I know Jackson's situation. Everyone disagreed because they thought Favre's skills deteriorated the season prior and they were annoyed with his indecision. I also know that early that season, Jackson was strained mentally with off the field stuff and at the end of the season, that was behind him. To expect him to somehow play well WHILE IT WAS STILL GOING ON, is begging for the near-impossible.

But still, his damn perferomance was the primary reason he got his ass benched, and I'm pretty sure if I ever watched those games, I won't be giving high reviews of Jackson. The fact that the woke up after Ferrotte stepped in is more than enough to infer that Jackson's play was THAT BAD.

And btw, it's not like no white QBs have sucked soooo bad that they keep the position they're handed. Sure, the two(Leinart's first benching and Heath Shuler) I'm thinking of were replaced by white guys, but their replacements outperformed them by a mile.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

In the aggregate, four interceptions mean a bad game. But it doesn't say anything CONCLUSIVE about the non-interception attempts. That's what someone who didn't watch game does not know.

Did you read my post or are you just being difficult.
Where did i say anything about wether the QBs play was conclusive?
Like i said in my previous post i don't want to quible about individual performances.
But it appears your intent on quibling over non-relevant issues.
Can you agree that net-net throwing 4 or more INTs would indicate a bad game?

Stats are not "raw" data. It's a shorthand substitute for the real data that accounts for everything that happened. Data is "lost in transmission". Can you understand "lost in transmission"?

Nice, classy posting style.
Its in keeping with someone that can't make their point understood and stoops to patronization.
There's no need to complicate the issue here.
Given poor QB play are black QBs getting benched/yanked quicker then there non-black counter parts?

I know Jackson's situation. Everyone disagreed because they thought Favre's skills deteriorated the season prior and they were annoyed with his indecision. I also know that early that season, Jackson was strained mentally with off the field stuff and at the end of the season, that was behind him. To expect him to somehow play well WHILE IT WAS STILL GOING ON, is begging for the near-impossible.

Well apparently you don't because Favre wasn't even on the team yet you keep refering to Favre.
Second what the heck are you talking about 'mentally strained' can you be more vague?

But still, his damn perferomance was the primary reason he got his ass benched, and I'm pretty sure if I ever watched those games, I won't be giving high reviews of Jackson.

Wait, you're talking the Vikings games but you didn't even watch them?
LoL, this is getting funny.

The fact that the woke up after Ferrotte stepped in is more than enough to infer that Jackson's play was THAT BAD

For someone posting in such a patronizing manner one would expect your own arguements/inferences to be logical.
For a psuedo-intellectual like yourself you should be above such an obvious logical fallacy.

And btw, it's not like no white QBs have sucked soooo bad that they keep the position they're handed. Sure, the two(Leinart's first benching and Heath Shuler) I'm thinking of were replaced by white guys, but their replacements outperformed them by a mile.

This is a strawman argument that has nothing to do with anything i posted.

HTTR!