The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[MTK]

7 years?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

7 years?

Yes. I'm not over-exaggerating. I watched a special on NFL football 2 or 3 years ago, and they were examining the major/most winning franchises, and they showed their stats and barring the occasional one bad season, it took most of the teams 5 to 7 seasons before they got to the point where every season was at least a wild card or playoff appearance.

After they achieved that point, it was easy to replace the players here and there.

We are failling because each time there is a new coach, they fail to bring in the proper players that is needed. The closest we ever got was when Saunders was here and he had his own QB, who they should have started because he knew the system, and at that point Collins was young enough to have a few good seasons. Collins did eventually prove his worth in 07, but by then it made little different because in 08 they went back to Campbell.

In hindsight, if the organization stays with Shanahan and Allen, they need to bring in the correct personnell over the next few seasons...we do not have that right now....

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mooby

Just getting a head start on it. No Haslett wasn't responsible for that McNabb pick, but we already knew the game was over. I know the offense has problems, but I've seen enough of the offense to know it's not anything that can't be corrected. The rushing game started to come around today before we abandoned it, and the passing game is good enough and will only get better if McNabb keeps gelling with his receivers.

The real issue at hand in this thread is our defense. I was willing to give a pass for getting gashed by the Texans offense, but letting a rookie quarterback missing a Pro Bowl running back in the backfield look like he did today is unacceptable. I don't believe the players are at fault as much as the scheme is, and the scheme sucks.

The players aren't made for it. The majority of the players on our defense were damn good at being in a 4-3, and while some players have emerged in this scheme, namely Orakpo and Landry, I just don't believe that Haslett's defense will be successful in this league. We're not even 4 games into the season and the secret is out, and everybody knows it. Our offense isn't to the point yet where we can get into shootouts and win, and the more I see of this defense the more I think our offense is going to have to keep putting up more and more points on the board if it expects to win games.

All we heard all offseason was about how the majority of our defensive players would have an easy transition to the 3-4. Well our defense has looked historically bad so far, and honestly I do believe next season we would be better off going back to a 4-3. I understand making the transition to a 3-4 from a 4-3 isn't easy, but we shouldn't be this bad this early in the season. Jim Haslett's defense is trash, and I just don't believe that if he can't make adjustments this early in the season then he won't ever be successful here in Washington. Instead of throwing away the majority of the players this offseason we should just go back to the defense they are comfortable with.

Btw congratulations St. Louis. We just gave you your first September win in 4 seasons, and your second overall win in your last 29 games.

So we should look good now and bad later in the season?

[MTK]

Still seems to me that the secondary is more the issue and not the front seven. We were way too soft in coverage especially on 3rd downs.

[freddyg12]

The pattern of 3rd downs yesterday said a lot. It seemed Bradford knew where to find the slant open on a no. of occassions. I think Spag's knowledge of Haslett shouldn't be underestimated, but at the same time it doesn't seem that Haslett really mixes it up that much. At least not in a way to confuse the O.

I wonder if Shanny will have him scale back blitzes next week. Sure they got some sacks but overall our blitzing has gotten us burned & the secondary has communication/assignment issues IMO, not talent issues.

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Still seems to me that the secondary is more the issue and not the front seven. We were way too soft in coverage especially on 3rd downs.

Hall blows. He has made our Safties look bad for two seasons.

Hall's best move:

Blows coverage/assignment, turns around and looks at Doughty/Landry/Moore and blames them for not covering the guy he just released way too early.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

Hall blows. He has made our Safties look bad for two seasons.

Hall's best move:

Blows coverage/assignment, turns around and looks at Doughty/Landry/Moore and blames them for not covering the guy he just released way too early.

D Hall's position on the team comprises a combination of both supporters & detractors. Before his tenure is through, he will continue to gradually reveal himself for what he really is. An empty wagon!!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

D Hall's position on the team comprises a combination of both supporters & detractors. Before his tenure is through, he will continue to gradually reveal himself for what he really is. An empty wagon!!

But I thought he was the next Deion Neon?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

But I thought he was the next Deion Neon?

Hall was simply terrible yesterday. After all that talk he goes out against WR's that are worse than ours and plays like a girl. I just don't get the guy. He needs to keep his mouth shut cause he's not good enough to back it up on the field.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Still seems to me that the secondary is more the issue and not the front seven. We were way too soft in coverage especially on 3rd downs.

I agree, especially when we are blitzing on 3rd down 90+% of the time. Coverage has to be tighter against the blitz especially on 3rd down. If you are giving up quick slants, bubble screens, and skinny posts for first downs on 3rd and 7+ ytg there is a problem with the coverage behind the blitz.

[SUNRA]

Jim Haslett doesn't need to be fired. This team is causing turnovers every game unlike last year. The aggressive blitzes have to be called at the right time and not the majority on 3rd downs. With the Eagles on deck, Laron Landry will have to keep Vick in the pocket and cause him to pass when he doesn't want to. Most people said that this team with so many new faces would struggle in the beginning so I'm not surprised. Just be patient and watch how we play against the Eagles. They will be ready.

[skinsfan69]

I think the most frustrating thing right now is that the defense really did not need to be changed. Sure they could've tweaked it but over hauling to a 3-4 was stupid. You can cause turnovers and sacks from a 4-3. What seems to be most annoying is Haslett simply has no idea how to adjust. At least Blache knew how to do that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think the most frustrating thing right now is that the defense really did not need to be changed. Sure they could've tweaked it but over hauling to a 3-4 was stupid. You can cause turnovers and sacks from a 4-3. What seems to be most annoying is Haslett simply has no idea how to adjust. At least Blache knew how to do that.

The 4-3 defense was to that side of the ball as Jason Campbell was to the offensive side of the ball last year. It wasn't the problem, however, if you have a way to improve it you need to be gutty enough to go for it.

Our coverage units have been pretty soft all year, which isn't a positive, but it would have been a problem in a 4-3 zone-blitzing defense as well. Biggest difference in this game is that Kareem Moore can cover, but he can't tackle.

Essentially, I don't think he's an improvement over Doughty, but we lose some run defense for some pass defense.

[skinsfan69]

And don't get me started on D. Hall.

[GTripp0012]

This was the worst game for our run defense this season, and our pass defense certainly wasn't good (enough) in this game. It was a below average performance from the defense overall.

The offense was worse. Turnovers, three and outs, zero ability in the passing game. Just ugly. We ran the ball better than in the past, which is a lone positive. If you can't pass, you can't win, and we can't pass right now (last week's dominance of a poor Texans defense aside).