Lets keep things into perspective and not panic people!

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Yeah I was never in love with the idea of Jim Haslett as the DC. I warmed to the idea when you looked at his Ds while he was in Pitt and I thought there may be a chance for some of that here, but at this point we just do not have the personel. I don't thnk there is a easy fix at all, and yes Haslett is definately part of the problem but he could be part of the solution if he can get this thing turned around. If not MS will fire his ass either during the season or next offseason.

Mike does run through DCs like nobodys business.

Where is GW when you need him? Oh yeah winning championships with the Saints.

[CrazyCanuck]

Even after the Texans loss I still thought this could be a playoff team... but not anymore. We are capped at 6-10.

But no need to panic people, we should be used to this by now.

Go back to whatever you were doing and I'll see you all next offseason.

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Yeah I was never in love with the idea of Jim Haslett as the DC. I warmed to the idea when you looked at his Ds while he was in Pitt and I thought there may be a chance for some of that here, but at this point we just do not have the personel. I don't thnk there is a easy fix at all, and yes Haslett is definately part of the problem but he could be part of the solution if he can get this thing turned around. If not MS will fire his ass either during the season or next offseason.

Mike does run through DCs like nobodys business.

Where is GW when you need him? Oh yeah winning championships with the Saints.

I actually don't miss Gregg Williams at all...

For what's it worth,the Saints were awesome at creating turnovers,which this team is doing now with Hasletts new scheme.

But just like Haslett,Williams gets gashed for yards just the same. But these type of defenses are supposed to over compensate,by getting more possessions off turnovers and the offenses to score a lot of points.

The Saints won the SB because of their great offense and their ability to create turnovers and stripping that football

Not because G.Williams is some genius...

I mean after all...Jason Campbell greatest game as a Redskin, was last season against the Saints and the "great" Gregg Williams.

We actually would have won that game if isn't wasn't forthe strip ball by Robert Meachim on Kareem Moore's INT strip return for a TD.

The falcons lit them up yesterday...And the putrid Niners who were dominated by the Chiefs....were able to put up 20+ pt's against that "awesome" Gregg Williams defense.

I think Bradford NOW..is better than Alex Smith...

IMO...Gregg Williams is way overrated

You guys want a very good D-coord?
We should hire Marty Schottenheimer

Now that guy is good for the Defense!

Can't win the big game as Head Coach
but as a D-Coordinator...OMG! (and shanny on Offense)
This team would be awesome..

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

I actually don't miss Gregg Williams at all...

For what's it worth,the Saints were awesome at creating turnovers,which this team is doing now with Hasletts new scheme.

But just like Haslett,Williams gets gashed for yards just the same. But these type of defenses are supposed to over compensate,by getting more possessions off turnovers and the offenses to score a lot of points.

The Saints won the SB because of their great offense and their ability to create turnovers and stripping that football

Not because G.Williams is some genius...

I mean after all...Jason Campbell greatest game as a Redskin, was last season against the Saints and the "great" Gregg Williams.

We actually would have won that game if isn't wasn't forthe strip ball by Robert Meachim on Kareem Moore's INT strip return for a TD.

The falcons lit them up yesterday...And the putrid Niners who were dominated by the Chiefs....were able to put up 20+ pt's against that "awesome" Gregg Williams defense.

I think Bradford NOW..is better than Alex Smith...

IMO...Gregg Williams is way overrated

You guys want a very good D-coord?
We should hire Marty Schottenheimer

Now that guy is good for the Defense!

Can win the big game as Head Coach
but as a D-Coordinator...OMG! (and shanny on Offense)
This team would be awesome..

Gregg Williams made the Saints defense good enough to compliment their powerful offense. This year they are suffering from a suspect d-line (esp the DTs), they are thin at LBs, and are starting a converted CB as their FS (replacing Darren Sharper).

In past seasons I've felt that we needed an offense good enough to compliment our defense. Now that we have that, we've gone ahead and start with a brand new defensive scheme. Now we have a semi-decent offense to go along with our growing-pains defense.

[sportscurmudgeon]

The Bleeping Rams beat the Skins by 2 TDs and dominated the second half of the game and the way that all of this will be turned around is to re-sign Brandon Banks? It took me at least 10 seconds to be able to get my jaw back up off the floor after that...

Folks, the reason everyone seems to be so outraged today is that the expecations for this team were unrealisticly high to begin with.

Mike Shanahan is a good football coach - - but he does not have a magic wand.

Jim Haslett is a defensive coordinator who has had some good defenses and some bad defenses - - depending on the talent he had to coach on those defenses. This year, he has middling talent; it is not the worst in the league by a longshot; it surely is not near the best either.

Remember when Bill Clinton ran for Pres in 1992? His advisors kept reminding everyone in the campaign, "It's the economy, stupid."

Let me remind: "It's the talent, stupid."

The Redskins are not "talent-rich". Nonwetheless, they have more talent than the Rams and they should beat teams like the Rams on the basis of superior talent; so there is something else going on there. My personal hypothesis - - which I cannot prove - - is that the veteran Redskins players have lived in a pampered environment long enough to believe that all they have to do is show up against an "inferior" opponent and the "inferior" opponent will quiver in fear. Sadly, that usually does not happen...

This team will be in the upper echelons only after they purge the players who play inferior teams by mailing it in and replacing them with solid draftees and free agent signings of football players - - not guys with stats who want to be paid. The Redskins have signed a ton of the latter and rarely do they ever work out here in the pampered envrioment that leads them to believe they really are as great as they think they are.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Jim Haslett is a defensive coordinator who has had some good defenses and some bad defenses - - depending on the talent he had to coach on those defenses. This year, he has middling talent; it is not the worst in the league by a longshot; it surely is not near the best either.

I agree with what you had to say, however this is the part that really gets to me (about this whole situation, and not what you had to say). I feel that the team put themselves in a situation where the defense has no talent, because of the change of defensive scheme.

Right now it seems that the only player that has benefited from the 3-4 switch has been Orakpo (and you can add Lorezo Alexander).

In our 4-3 defense we had a really good DE in Carter, and I'm sure Orakpo would be just as (if not more) dominant if they played him at DE. You throw in Haynesworth in shape and playing his natural position (and Golston as the other DT) you have a monster D-Line in our 4-3.

Among LBs, Fletcher was a tackling machine and played the MLB position (in the 4-3) better than many in the league. I just don't feel he is having the same impact. Rocky has been better in the 3-4, but was a pretty good LB in the 4-3. We needed an SLB in the 4-3, and honestly that probably would have been our only major need in defense.

Laron Landry played out of position in our 4-3, and his play now has improved mainly due to that move to SS.

I'm not saying that I want Blache back, but I just feel that the team really shot itself in the foot by moving to the 3-4 when it really wasn't needed. If we had gotten a new DC (Jerry Gray or lure Mike Zimmer from Cincy as it was rumored). Our defense could have picked up where they left off and along the way try to improve on those issues they had, instead we are now learning a brand new scheme.

This reminds me a lot of the team that went 10-6 under Gibbs 2.0 and then for the next season he decided to bring in a brand new offensive system (Saunders) and we went 5-11 or 4-12 the next season. If it ain't broke (or that broke) don't fix it.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

The Bleeping Rams beat the Skins by 2 TDs and dominated the second half of the game and the way that all of this will be turned around is to re-sign Brandon Banks? It took me at least 10 seconds to be able to get my jaw back up off the floor after that...

Folks, the reason everyone seems to be so outraged today is that the expecations for this team were unrealisticly high to begin with.

Mike Shanahan is a good football coach - - but he does not have a magic wand.

Jim Haslett is a defensive coordinator who has had some good defenses and some bad defenses - - depending on the talent he had to coach on those defenses. This year, he has middling talent; it is not the worst in the league by a longshot; it surely is not near the best either.

Remember when Bill Clinton ran for Pres in 1992? His advisors kept reminding everyone in the campaign, "It's the economy, stupid."

Let me remind: "It's the talent, stupid."

The Redskins are not "talent-rich". Nonwetheless, they have more talent than the Rams and they should beat teams like the Rams on the basis of superior talent; so there is something else going on there. My personal hypothesis - - which I cannot prove - - is that the veteran Redskins players have lived in a pampered environment long enough to believe that all they have to do is show up against an "inferior" opponent and the "inferior" opponent will quiver in fear. Sadly, that usually does not happen...

This team will be in the upper echelons only after they purge the players who play inferior teams by mailing it in and replacing them with solid draftees and free agent signings of football players - - not guys with stats who want to be paid. The Redskins have signed a ton of the latter and rarely do they ever work out here in the pampered envrioment that leads them to believe they really are as great as they think they are.

Yup. Well put. It takes a while to change the culture of a place. I do think Shanny is a tough enough SOB to clean house, and my hope is Allen keeps Danny in his place. But until this happens, we're just not going to be that good.

[theJBexperience]

Here's some new perspective. I still say "Panic! We stink." But here's some new perspective to consider. Last year, McNabb's Iggles went into Oakland and laid an egg, losing 9-13, and they still made it to the playoffs. Judging from that game, you'd think they stunk. Maybe, the same can be said for what happened yesterday.

[TheSmurfs22]

Folks, the reason everyone seems to be so outraged today is that the expecations for this team were unrealisticly high to begin with.

Mike Shanahan is a good football coach - - but he does not have a magic wand.



Let me remind: "It's the talent, stupid."
~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes to all of your comments. Curmudgeon. So well said!

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

I actually don't miss Gregg Williams at all...

For what's it worth,the Saints were awesome at creating turnovers,which this team is doing now with Hasletts new scheme.

But just like Haslett,Williams gets gashed for yards just the same. But these type of defenses are supposed to over compensate,by getting more possessions off turnovers and the offenses to score a lot of points.

The Saints won the SB because of their great offense and their ability to create turnovers and stripping that football

Not because G.Williams is some genius...

I mean after all...Jason Campbell greatest game as a Redskin, was last season against the Saints and the "great" Gregg Williams.

We actually would have won that game if isn't wasn't forthe strip ball by Robert Meachim on Kareem Moore's INT strip return for a TD.

The falcons lit them up yesterday...And the putrid Niners who were dominated by the Chiefs....were able to put up 20+ pt's against that "awesome" Gregg Williams defense.

I think Bradford NOW..is better than Alex Smith...

IMO...Gregg Williams is way overrated

You guys want a very good D-coord?
We should hire Marty Schottenheimer

Now that guy is good for the Defense!

Can't win the big game as Head Coach
but as a D-Coordinator...OMG! (and shanny on Offense)
This team would be awesome..

GW is a very good D coord. He's historically had great defenses w/ teams w/out alot of names. Saints aren't a great defense but they do a good job of creating TO's.