Lets keep things into perspective and not panic people!

[MTK]

More change is the change we need. And when Phillips tanks after 3 games we'll look to ship him out too.

[#56fanatic]

why do i keep hearing hire Wade PHilips? Isn't he still employed?? come one people. It isn't the freaking coach, well Haslett anyway. We dont have the players. Shanny needs to recognize and say "ok lets go to the 4-3 more often, give some 3-4 looks, but basic 4-3 as our mainstay.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

More change is the change we need. And when Phillips tanks after 3 games we'll look to ship him out too.

I just dont understand why everyone wants to blame the coaches when its the players that just arent good enough. They have never done anything yet fans still seem to think they arent the reason this team isnt winning. The Skins just arent a very talented team and wont be for awhile.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by irish

I just dont understand why everyone wants to blame the coaches when its the players that just arent good enough. They have never done anything yet fans still seem to think they arent the reason this team isnt winning. The Skins just arent a very talented team and wont be for awhile.

I dont blame Haslett,he is what he is.On the other hand,Shanahan's ego has got to be bigger than Snyders.The games he's playing are hurting the team,IMO.What do you call a person who has a top 5 defense,a dominating nose tackle,personel equiped to play a 4-3 defense,and you decide to switch to a 3-4,why? I call that person dumb as frickin rock,it doesnt make any sense.If the defense was in the bottom 5 and you dont have Haynesworth,then why not make the move,but otherwise its just plain dumb and Shanahan has just set the franchise back a couple of yrs.Just when its Mcnabbs time to retire maybe the defense will be good again

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

I just dont understand why everyone wants to blame the coaches when its the players that just arent good enough. They have never done anything yet fans still seem to think they arent the reason this team isnt winning. The Skins just arent a very talented team and wont be for awhile.

Our top guys outside of McNabb..... CP, Cooley, Moss, Rabach, Dock, Sellers, Rogers, Hall, Fletch, Goldston, Rocky, Carter... We've had them for a while and they're solid players, but none of them are great and there isn't anything behind them.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Our top guys outside of McNabb..... CP, Cooley, Moss, Rabach, Dock, Sellers, Rogers, Hall, Fletch, Goldston, Rocky, Carter... We've had them for a while and they're solid players, but none of them are great and there isn't anything behind them.

Outside of McNabb and Cooley, I'm not sure any of the others would be starters on top teams.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

Outside of McNabb and Cooley, I'm not sure any of the others would be starters on top teams.

what? The corners, which i know everyone hates because of 1 or 2 plays a season, could easily start on 95% of teams out there. Moss is easily a number 2 WR on every team...Dock would be a starter on olines. Fletch would be a standout on any team. Rocky could be too. Sellers, Rabauch are starters, not great ones though....

If Rocky and Carlos leave after this year they will be missed, and will be more holes we have to address to go along with WR, NT, RB, multiple O-Line, DE,

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

what? The corners, which i know everyone hates because of 1 or 2 plays a season, could easily start on 95% of teams out there. Moss is easily a number 2 WR on every team...Dock would be a starter on olines. Fletch would be a standout on any team. Rocky could be too. Sellers, Rabauch are starters, not great ones though....

If Rocky and Carlos leave after this year they will be missed, and will be more holes we have to address to go along with WR, NT, RB, multiple O-Line, DE,

I shouldnt have used the word starter. I should have said in the same spot as here. Keep in mind I'm talking about top teams, on other teams at the Skins level (Lions, Rams, Raiders, Bills) they likely might hold the same top spots. Moss would be a #2 elsewhere but he's a #1 here. Fletch would be a nice player on other good teams but here he's the man. The lineman and CBs would also contribute but not be the top dogs they are here. I really dont think any other team would have a roster spot for Sellers.

Of course if any of those players leaves the Skins they will be missed because the Skins really dont have anyone ready to step in and take their place and IMO, thats the biggest problem of them all.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by irish

Outside of McNabb and Cooley, I'm not sure any of the others would be starters on top teams.

That's just ridiculous.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Buster

That's just ridiculous.

Its funny though.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

That's just ridiculous.

Then how come we don't win with these guys? We're coming off a 4-12 season and just lost to the worst team in the league.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Then how come we don't win with these guys? We're coming off a 4-12 season and just lost to the worst team in the league.

That's what I'm saying, why do these guys keep losing if they are so good. Unfortunately the Skins are the Rams, Lions, Raiders and anyone who cant see that is dreaming or cant face facts. The Skins have a really bad case of roster rot and that isnt going to be fixed in a season or two. Its a shame how far the Skins have fallen.