RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Well, they took Gary Clark in the Supplemental Draft, but Art Monk is probably the last one in 1980.

That is, unless 2 season leading the team in receiving is a success, then you have Westbrook and Gardner. Each of whom lead the team in receiving yards twice. Their totals?

Westbrook: 736 and 1191 in 1998 and 1999
Gardner: 741 and 1006 in 2001 and 2002

WRs drafted since Art Monk in ascending order:
1981: Charlie Brown (Rd 8) and Carl Powell (Rd 11)
1982: Carl Powell (Rd 3)
1984: Mark Smith (Rd 7) and Curtland Thomas (Rd 12)
1986: Walter Murray (Rd 2) and Eric Yarber (Rd 12)
1987: Ted Wilson (Rd 10) and Laron Brown (Rd 11)
1989: Eric Affholter (Rd 4)
1991: Keenan McCardell (Rd 12)
1992: Desmond Howard (Rd 1) and Terry Smith (Rd 11)
1994: Tydus Winans (Rd 4)
1995: Michael Westbrook (Rd 1)
1996: DeAndre Maxwell (Rd 7)
1997: Albert Connell (Rd 4)
1998: Patrick Palmer (Rd 6)
1999: Tim Alexander (Rd 7)
2000: Ethan Howell (Rd 7)
2001: Rod Garnder (Rd 1) and Darnerien McCants (Rd 5)
2002: Cliff Russell (Rd 3)
2003: Taylor Jacobs (Rd 2)
2008: Devin Thomas (Rd 2) and Malcolm Kelly (Rd 2)
2009: Marko Mitchell (Rd 7)
2010: Terence Austin (Rd 7)

Out of that group, not one was a particularly successful Redskin. Keenan McCardell was undoubtedly the best with over 11000 yards in his career, but only 256 came as a Redskin and that was in his second stint and the final stop of his career.

Desmond Howard managed a Super Bowl MVP, but that was primarily as a KR.

Obviously the jury is still out on Austin, but I doubt he reaches a consistent level of success as anything more than a slot receiver.

So, to recap: We suck at selecting WRs.

It amazes me that even Keenan, who played in this league for so many years at a high level can not get DT to be a pro. I bet if you put Gary Clark's heart inside of DT he'd be an all pro, 90 catch guy every year.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

My god, when was the last time we drafted a successful wide receiver?

Art Monk bro

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Art Monk bro

Probably the answer. Michael Westbrook looked good at first, until he went psycho like a lady in a chocolate shop.

At least we're not the Lions, wasting top 5 picks almost EVERY YEAR and they're all busts. They may have finally found someone in Calvin Johnson after about 10 tries.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Doesnt bother me, get rid of him or let him keep returning kickoffs. I would rather get a pick for him honestly.

He did miss time in the offseason, but it was due to injury.

[CRedskinsRule]

So by round that breaks down to
1st round --- 3 (92, 95, 01)
2nd round -- 4 (86, 03, 07, 07)
3rd round ---2 (82, 02)
4th ----------3 (84, 94, 97)
5th ----------1
6th ----------1
7th ----------6
8th ----------1
9th ----------0
10th --------1
11th --------3
12th --------3

I don't know what other teams distribution of WR picks is, but using only 7 1st or 2nd round picks on WR's in 29 years, seems like one reason why we have had the drought at WR production.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So by round that breaks down to
1st round --- 3 (92, 95, 01)
2nd round -- 4 (86, 03, 07, 07)
3rd round ---2 (82, 02)
4th ----------3 (84, 94, 97)
5th ----------1
6th ----------1
7th ----------6
8th ----------1
9th ----------0
10th --------1
11th --------3
12th --------3

I don't know what other teams distribution of WR picks is, but using only 7 1st or 2nd round picks on WR's in 29 years, seems like one reason why we have had the drought at WR production.

There have been 225 WRs taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft since (including) 1980. Which works out to 7.3/year and about 7* per team.

So, we're roughly in line with the average, probably slightly below when you factor in expansion, but really close. I was surprised at the drought of selections, though between 2003 and 2008

*Did not account for expansion during the years of 1980-2009.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jdlea

There have been 225 WRs taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft since (including) 1980. Which works out to 7.3/year and about 7* per team.

So, we're roughly in line with the average, probably slightly below when you factor in expansion, but really close. I was surprised at the drought of selections, though between 2003 and 2008

*Did not account for expansion during the years of 1980-2009.

Good numbers, thanks.

[jdlea]

Since I'm going through the motions:

Breakdown by teams:
WRs Drafted in the first 2 rounds since 1980:
ATL: 4
BUF: 10
CAR: 4
CHI: 7
CIN: 9
CLE: 7
IND: 6
ARI: 6
DAL: 9
DEN: 8
DET: 10
GB: 7
HOU: 2
JAX: 3
KC: 5
MIA: 7
MIN: 7
NOR: 7
NE: 10
NYG: 10
NYJ: 8
TEN/HOU: 6
PHI: 9
PIT: 10
OAK: 4
STL/LA: 8
BAL/CLE: 11*
SD: 6
SEA: 6
SF: 4
TB: 8
WAS: 8

*I absorb CLE's draft history into BAL for players drafted before 1995

[SouperMeister]

Drafting WRs and QBs early is an absolute crapshoot. Between the Skins lousy record of WRs (Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner, Taylor Jacobs, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly) and QBs (Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell) selected in the first two rounds since the last Super Bowl appearance, one can argue that is the biggest factor in their continued mediocrity since the glory days. For those screaming to draft a WR with next year's #1, I say PLEASE DON'T!!! Continue to build the O and D lines. Great teams are built from the inside out.

[Longtimefan]

For me it's just so painful having to reflect on the fact this being the 3rd yr. for Thomas, Kelly and Davis, we've reaped so little in return for their lofty draft status.

I'm mindful however of the half season Davis contributed last year in the absence of Cooley, but have often thought about how little we may know of him had Cooley not gotten hurt. I think we'd all like to see Davis more involved in the offense, Kelly's future is still uncertain and now DT could be considered in a trade. This is a mixed bag if there ever was one, if DT can't find a way into the offense, draft picks are sorely needed should the team decide to trade him.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

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if DT can't find a way into the offense, draft picks are sorely needed should the team decide to trade him.

Good luck getting anything better than a 7th rounder for a special teams player.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Good luck getting anything better than a 7th rounder for a special teams player.

That's the problem that's so unrewarding, we draft a guy in the 2nd rd; he has problems developing and 2 1/2 yrs. later we feel fortunate to be able to get a 7th rounder for him in a trade. Unbelievable!!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

That's the problem that's so unrewarding, we draft a guy in the 2nd rd; he has problems developing and 2 1/2 yrs. later we feel fortunate to be able to get a 7th rounder for him in a trade. Unbelievable!!

He's like a car: tumbles in value when you drive it off the lot

[NYCskinfan82]

Maybe it's a motivational tool.

[cowboy h8er]

we should contact the pats, randy moss wants out, we should swap him for fat albert, end of our wide out problems.