Was Shanahan Wrong Deactivating Haynesworth vs. Indy

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Who knows... he was not even active or in uniform.
You would think we are the first team to see the hurry up offense. We did not handle it well.
If the Hurry up is incredibly effective as you describe why does Manning only have one Superbowl win? The reality is Hasslett did not do of good job of preparing his game plan. He went light with very few DL and we got gashed in the running game.

Plus he went into the game with only five DL active. Why on earth would you go into a game against a QB like Manning with only five D linemen? The point can be argued that Haynesworth may or may not have made a difference, but I maintain neither did the guys that did play make a difference. 179 yds. rushing is just unacceptable and brings into question the wisdom of anyone who says the team played well enough to win. No sacks, 479 yds total offense and a DL that looked as though they were playing hide and go seek for most of the game.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We agree to disagree, but when give up up 171 yards rushing on 28 carries for an average of 6.1 yards a carry, you are not going to win many games. Hurry offense or not.

46 of that did come on one play. Just saying

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

46 of that did come on one play. Just saying

So that makes it ok?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

So that makes it ok?

Not at all. Just saying that affected the YPC.

[MTK]

The hurry up worked well against a D that is aggressive and uses a lot of different packages/subs.

For someone who doesn't know, you seem awfully convinced he would have made a difference out there.

[SBXVII]

Ok, with out reading my psychic abilities tell me the coaching staff is being slammed for not playing AH and if we had we would have gotten better pressure up the middle and won the game.

I too feel the same way, but how much do they tweek the defense each week? I wonder if like the offense there is set plays and players have to line up specific ways but depending on how they tweek it might mean which way the DL blocks?

Offensively I guess the team looks at film and looks for weaknesses and game plans around those weaknesses. Instead of Moss running a slant maybe this week it's Armstrong or Cooley. Maybe the team see's a weakness on the right side so they practice all week blocking to the right more so then the left. I presume the defense does the same thing, and if AH is not around to learn the play calls and what he's supposed to do on each play then all he's going to do is get in someone elses way or screw up.

I guess it would be better to have him on the bench until he can be there from Mon. when they start going over game film and game planning for the next opponant vs. having him show up mid week when the game plan is already set and they are doing a walk through and he has no clue as to what his responsibilities are.

[takethecake]

I did see a handful of plays where doughty and kareem moore were on the field together. Was landry out there too/do we run plays with three safeties sometimes?



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[MTK]

Originally Posted by takethecake

I did see a handful of plays where doughty and kareem moore were on the field together. Was landry out there too/do we run plays with three safeties sometimes?



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Yeah RD was playing LB in dime packages.

[over the mountain]

Albert Haynesworth: I Was Ready to Play Against Colts -- NFL FanHouse

i dont know if this has been posted yet. Adds alil more insight to the AH deactivation. I do have sympathy for AH with regards to showing up to the team locker room on gameday and finding all your stuff packed away indicating your not playing while the other players stuff are neatly organized and laid out in their lockers.

I also feel for him in that he said, while cliche, that footbal is his escape and he was looking forward to playing. For Shanny, i think it was safe to assume that even a player like AH could have used footbal for him to get his recent trajedy out of his mind, at least for a few hours. Lots of players,almost all of them, say football is an escape when they confront real life drama. Shanny sure as hell knows this, even if shanny thought AH playing would hurt the team with not knowing the scheme, man, you stil find ways for the guy to suit up and atleast play some snaps.

i think shanny robbed AH of his right as football player to turn to the comforts of the gridiron with the recent and unexpected passing of his brother.

man, im a sentimental dude, shanny failed on the human side of things with this regard.

he should have talked with AH in closed doors and asks AH what he wanted to do, what AH needed from the team. If AH said he would like to play to help him get his mind off things, his wish should have been granted.

[12thMan]

I have a hard time believing after playing against the Peyton Manning and Jeff Saturday for twice a year, for seven years that Albert Haynesworth couldn't have a made a difference last night. He could have a made difference just on reflex knowledge alone; recognizing audibles, etc.

And the part about him not being conditioned enough is a bunch of hooey. If Trent Williams could miss most of practice and hobble his ass out there to start against Dwight Freeney, I don't see what's the difference with a healthy Haynesworth doing the same. Sure you don't have to play him the ENTIRE game, but you're telling me this guy isn't good for 10, 20 snaps last night? Not buying it.

[over the mountain]

I know, I know but come on matty. Are you telling me that you wouldnt have called AH into your office, have haslett come in, close the door then ask AH if he wanted to play? The when he said he would like to play to help him escape from the off field stuff, you would still let him show up sunday expecting to play but find your stuff packed up? (idk if or when he was told he was not playing. the article makes it seem he wasnt told but figured it out when he showed up sunday)

Im just sayin, shanny knows that players want to play football in times of tragedy to help them get their mind of things.

from a human aspect, shanny failed.

you get my point thoo i think - players turn to the comforts of the gridiron to escape their mourning and thoughts, even players like AH. All things past taken into account, as a head coach you find a way to have him suited up atleast and active for a couple plays. you cant take away football from him at that point, football to these guys is the normal, it gets them back to what they know and love, the act on instinct not thinking about the off field trauma.

to my surprise i thought he would be indifferent - maybe he is but just gave the cliche sound bite and im the fish on the hook.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

I know, I know but come on matty. Are you telling me that you wouldnt have called AH into your office, have haslett come in, close the door then ask AH if he wanted to play? The when he said he would like to play to help him escape from the off field stuff, you would still let him show up sunday expecting to play but find your stuff packed up? (idk if or when he was told he was not playing. the article makes it seem he wasnt told but figured it out when he showed up sunday)

Im just sayin, shanny knows that players want to play football in times of tragedy to help them get their mind of things.

from a human aspect, shanny failed.

you get my point thoo i think - players turn to the comforts of the gridiron to escape their mourning and thoughts, even players like AH. All things past taken into account, as a head coach you find a way to have him suited up atleast and active for a couple plays. you cant take away football from him at that point, football to these guys is the normal, it gets them back to what they know and love, the act on instinct not thinking about the off field trauma.

to my surprise i thought he would be indifferent - maybe he is but just gave the cliche sound bite and im the fish on the hook.

I'm pretty sure I heard or read that Shanahan said when asked about AH on Tues., after it was mentioned that AH would be back this week, that he was unsure if AH would be playing cause they needed to see if he was in football shape. So if it was announced mid week how on earth did AH not have a clue that he might not be playing?

Plus why is it all the coach's fault. Is AH not a man? can he not go to the DC and ask if to make sure if he would be playing considering he was gone for a week? See the problem with AH is in his mind because he makes so much money he's automatically the starter and he gets all upset when he learns otherwise. Heck the fans get upset when they learn otherwise.

If nothing else we fans should have learned by now that just because you the best at your position or make the most money does not equal that your the starter.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm pretty sure I heard or read that Shanahan said when asked about AH on Tues., after it was mentioned that AH would be back this week, that he was unsure if AH would be playing cause they needed to see if he was in football shape. So if it was announced mid week how on earth did AH not have a clue that he might not be playing?

Plus why is it all the coach's fault. Is AH not a man? can he not go to the DC and ask if to make sure if he would be playing considering he was gone for a week? See the problem with AH is in his mind because he makes so much money he's automatically the starter and he gets all upset when he learns otherwise. Heck the fans get upset when they learn otherwise.

If nothing else we fans should have learned by now that just because you the best at your position or make the most money does not equal that your the starter.

I dont think Shanny saying on tues he is unsure if AH will play = a mid week announcement AH isnt playing.

But your point about him going to Haslett is taken, I wonder what communication Haslett had with AH and Shanny.

im not saying AH should have played b/c he makes the most money or that he is the best, i am a 100% AH hater. hes lazy, doesnt give a crap and just tried to take us for 32 mil over 13 months, when that didnt work b/c bend-me-over-vinny was gone, all this drama ensued.

my opinion is one based off a what would joe gibbs do?

Football players turn to football in a time of tragedy. AH wasnt given that option. Shanny failed in the human aspect of being a head coach with this particular case IMO.

[SBXVII]

^ Again I wonder how much of it was changes made to the blocking scheme which would not have worked had AH been out there? In other words it probably had nothing to do with AH's health or stanima but more the issue that AH wouldn't know which way to block or which gap to run through on certain plays.

Shanahan said they needed to see what type of football shape AH was in. That statement alone does not mean the coach's felt AH would be out of shape after just one week. It could refer to his mental status after having a loss, or if he could handle picking up the new plays for the week fast enough. There is no use putting him out there if he's a detriment.

As far as Trent goes I think he was around for the meetings so he would understand the plays being used and play calls. All he had to do was do a walk through mid week and play on Sun. Thats a lot different then AH being completely away from Redskins Park not sitting in any meetings and showing up on Wed/Thurs. for the walk through.

[MTK]

I could really care less about Al's feelings. I'm guessing this was strictly a football related decision, and not about ego or some sort of personal vendetta that some fans think Shanahan has with him.