Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights

mlmpetert · 10-27-2010, 04:27 PM

Bills scrap 3-4 defense amidst historic slump | ProFootballTalk.com

So i post this because i think it applies to us too. We dont have the 3-4 personal to be elite right now – or likely anytime soon, however we did/do have the personal to be elite in a 4-3 scheme. After Hall made 4 interceptions and won the game for us last week its bound to shut all the nay sayers up but for how long? But hes just one player and looked pretty good in the 4-3 scheme we had last year. Not saying anything, just saying....

SirClintonPortis · 10-27-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Bills scrap 3-4 defense amidst historic slump | ProFootballTalk.com

So i post this because i think it applies to us too. We dont have the 3-4 personal to be elite right now – or likely anytime soon, however we did/do have the personal to be elite in a 4-3 scheme. After Hall made 4 interceptions and won the game for us last week its bound to shut all the nay sayers up but for how long? But hes just one player and looked pretty good in the 4-3 scheme we had last year. Not saying anything, just saying....

Haslett has already half-admitted defeat when he started showing the 4-man fronts with two down linemen and two OLBs standing up on the line of scrimmage.

SmootSmack · 10-27-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Haslett has already half-admitted defeat when he started showing the 4-man fronts with two down linemen and two OLBs standing up on the line of scrimmage.

Except for the fact that since last spring the Skins have been saying they'd be showing various 4 fronts, including 4-man fronts

GTripp0012 · 10-27-2010, 06:15 PM

Nickel and Dime packages has been almost entirely a four man front. Well, an "even" front with no nose, at least.

Where we've been a 3-4 defense is in base sets. If the opponent has 2 WRs or fewer on the field, we usually have 3 linemen in the game.

A couple of changes just recently: our short yardage defense has moved to a four man concept on the line ((Haynesworth/Carriker) with (Golston/Kemo)), where before it was either a standard 3-4 or that ninja/amoeba type look. This, not surprisingly, has coincided with an improvement in short yardage defense.

The reason for this "multiple" defense: it allows us to have 3-4 LBs in the game at all times. The 4-3 would force us to take a LB off the field for every additional DB we wanted on. If we wanted to play dime with Buchanon/Doughty at DBs, it'd be just Fletcher at LB. This way, we can get Fletcher, McIntosh, and Alexander all on the field (plus Carter in the nickel), and have our best pass rushers to get after the quarterback.

We have good nickel personnel this year, mostly because Buchanon has been a pleasant surprise at corner.

Glen Williams · 10-28-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

The Redskins defense is giving up 420 yards per game thru 6 games in the 2010 season.

The NFL record for the most yards per game yielded over a season was in 1980 (or maybe 1981) by the Indianapolis Colts. They gave up 424 yards per game.

That means after 6 games, the Indy Colts record-setting defense had given up only 24 more yards for the year that the 2010 Skins.

The record is there for the taking...

For one that's not gonna happen.
Second why are so many skins fans haters?
Be happy. We may allow a lot of yards but what matters is points.

SirClintonPortis · 10-28-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Glen Williams

For one that's not gonna happen.
Second why are so many skins fans haters?
Be happy. We may allow a lot of yards but what matters is points.

It's called being aware that we're not close to being the best. Neither on the stat sheet nor on the tape.

Delusions of Mediocrity (Seventh Edition) - Gatherer - Magic: The Gathering

"When nothing but second best will do."

Glen Williams · 10-28-2010, 07:13 PM

No one said we were the best.
We are improving.
We have improved.
Crying about stat sheets is not gonna help anything.

Ok Sir?

12thMan · 10-28-2010, 07:50 PM

I guess it's also worth noting, as Slingin Sammy somewhat alluded to, we've given up the least amount of points in the NFC East and are in the middle of pack in the NFL, in terms of total points allowed. The San Diego Chargers, on the other hand, are ranked 1# in total defense, yet they sit at 2-5 right now.

So while the stats are a bit troubling, they don't really tell the whole story.

SirClintonPortis · 10-28-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I guess it's also worth noting, as Slingin Sammy somewhat alluded to, we've given up the least amount of points in the NFC East and are in the middle of pack in the NFL, in terms of total points allowed. The San Diego Chargers, on the other hand, are ranked 1# in total defense, yet they sit at 2-5 right now.

So while the stats are a bit troubling, they don't really tell the whole story.

Special teams is always forgotten because there aren't any real ranks for it.

GTripp0012 · 10-29-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I guess it's also worth noting, as Slingin Sammy somewhat alluded to, we've given up the least amount of points in the NFC East and are in the middle of pack in the NFL, in terms of total points allowed. The San Diego Chargers, on the other hand, are ranked 1# in total defense, yet they sit at 2-5 right now.

So while the stats are a bit troubling, they don't really tell the whole story.

Part of the "whole story" we're not getting from rankings based on yards (outside of the fact that 'special teams matter') is that the Chargers offense has turned the ball over on an insane 21% of its drives.

But for those keeping track, barely a third of their turnovers have been Rivers interceptions. It's their offensive line that is responsible for increased sack-fumbles, and receivers are just coughing up footballs at an alarming rate in San Diego.

Put simply, while SD is much better than their record, anyone who thinks SD is the best offense in football is using the wrong stats. They're not as good on offense as they were last season.

InsaneBoost · 10-29-2010, 01:40 PM

Should have known this wasn't serious

KLHJ2 · 10-29-2010, 02:03 PM

If it's week eight then why are we only using stats from the first 6 weeks. Oh, that's right because it will dilute the stats.

How is this for a stat? Through those first 6 weeks our D face a top 10 offense 4 times. The other 2 matchups were against number 11 and number 22. We haven't exactly been playing teams that cannot move the ball.

SmootSmack · 10-29-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry

If it's week eight then why are we only using stats from the first 6 weeks. Oh, that's right because it will dilute the stats.

How is this for a stat? Through those first 6 weeks our D face a top 10 offense 4 times. The other 2 matchups were against number 11 and number 22. We haven't exactly been playing teams that cannot move the ball.

Or because the thread was started prior to week seven

MTK · 10-29-2010, 02:51 PM

Lets call it the Glen Williams effect

KLHJ2 · 10-29-2010, 06:53 PM

Excuse the hell out of me for not catching that. Even at week 7 my argument was valid.

10-27-2010, 04:27 PM	#1
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights Bills scrap 3-4 defense amidst historic slump \| ProFootballTalk.com So i post this because i think it applies to us too. We dont have the 3-4 personal to be elite right now – or likely anytime soon, however we did/do have the personal to be elite in a 4-3 scheme. After Hall made 4 interceptions and won the game for us last week its bound to shut all the nay sayers up but for how long? But hes just one player and looked pretty good in the 4-3 scheme we had last year. Not saying anything, just saying.... __________________ www.NRABannedGunsRaffle.org

10-27-2010, 06:15 PM	#4
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights Nickel and Dime packages has been almost entirely a four man front. Well, an "even" front with no nose, at least. Where we've been a 3-4 defense is in base sets. If the opponent has 2 WRs or fewer on the field, we usually have 3 linemen in the game. A couple of changes just recently: our short yardage defense has moved to a four man concept on the line ((Haynesworth/Carriker) with (Golston/Kemo)), where before it was either a standard 3-4 or that ninja/amoeba type look. This, not surprisingly, has coincided with an improvement in short yardage defense. The reason for this "multiple" defense: it allows us to have 3-4 LBs in the game at all times. The 4-3 would force us to take a LB off the field for every additional DB we wanted on. If we wanted to play dime with Buchanon/Doughty at DBs, it'd be just Fletcher at LB. This way, we can get Fletcher, McIntosh, and Alexander all on the field (plus Carter in the nickel), and have our best pass rushers to get after the quarterback. We have good nickel personnel this year, mostly because Buchanon has been a pleasant surprise at corner. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

10-28-2010, 07:13 PM	#7
Glen Williams Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Dumfries, VA Age: 36 Posts: 38	Re: Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights No one said we were the best. We are improving. We have improved. Crying about stat sheets is not gonna help anything. Ok Sir? __________________ You look good in pink

10-28-2010, 07:50 PM	#8
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights I guess it's also worth noting, as Slingin Sammy somewhat alluded to, we've given up the least amount of points in the NFC East and are in the middle of pack in the NFL, in terms of total points allowed. The San Diego Chargers, on the other hand, are ranked 1# in total defense, yet they sit at 2-5 right now. So while the stats are a bit troubling, they don't really tell the whole story.

10-29-2010, 01:40 PM	#11
InsaneBoost The Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: DC Age: 38 Posts: 1,300	Re: Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights Should have known this wasn't serious __________________

10-29-2010, 02:03 PM	#12
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 48 Posts: 5,829	Re: Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights If it's week eight then why are we only using stats from the first 6 weeks. Oh, that's right because it will dilute the stats. How is this for a stat? Through those first 6 weeks our D face a top 10 offense 4 times. The other 2 matchups were against number 11 and number 22. We haven't exactly been playing teams that cannot move the ball.

10-29-2010, 02:51 PM	#14
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights Lets call it the Glen Williams effect __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-29-2010, 06:53 PM	#15
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 48 Posts: 5,829	Re: Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights Excuse the hell out of me for not catching that. Even at week 7 my argument was valid.

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