Tupac or Biggie

[KLHJ2]

Tupac, I don't care what he claimed he was from the east coast.

[saden1]

No one, is perfect but when it comes to music Pac is as close as it gets. He is poet and if anyone liking his music bothers you that's on you.

[mlmpetert]

^ if someone tried to kill you and then, as young single male, you had the oppertunity to bang their hot wife would you pass up the oppertunity?

Its like Oliver Twist asking for more porridge. Yeah he knew he wasn’t allowed to have more, but he did it anyways. Sometimes stories suck when theres no antagonist.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

^ if someone tried to kill you and then, as young single male, you had the oppertunity to bang their hot wife would you pass up the oppertunity?

Its like Oliver Twist asking for more porridge. Yeah he knew he wasn’t allowed to have more, but he did it anyways. Sometimes stories suck when theres no antagonist.

no, no, no. You cannot compare Tupac f'ing Shakur to Charles Dickens. Just can't. No.

[firstdown]

Well if I knew the guy would shot me I don't think I'd be trying to bang his chick. I don't care how hot she is. Dead is dead in my book.

[BleedBurgundy]

I have always been of the opinion that gangsta rap is the equivalent of junk tv, it's a cheap, mindless form of entertainment. And there's a place for that, but don't try to sell it to me as intellectually based criticism of culture. It's exploitative and ignorant for the most part. The above being a prime example.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I have always been of the opinion that gangsta rap is the equivalent of junk tv, it's a cheap, mindless form of entertainment. And there's a place for that, but don't try to sell it to me as intellectually based criticism of culture. It's exploitative and ignorant for the most part. The above being a prime example.

The problem I have is that they sell the stuff to our kids as main stream. I can't blame the guy for trying to make a living but I can blame the MTV types pushing this stuff on our kids.

[chica-alisha]

Tupac...I have a book of poetry that he wrote-The Rose That Grew From Concrete... His talent was sensational!

"A coward dies a thousand deaths...A soldier dies but ONE!! "

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by chica-alisha

Tupac...I have a book of poetry that he wrote-The Rose That Grew From Concrete... His talent was sensational!

"A coward dies a thousand deaths...A soldier dies but ONE!! "

That was William Shakespeare in "Julius Caesar."

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

That was William Shakespeare in "Julius Caesar."

Yeah right. Next youre going to tell me Coolio is ripping off quotes from the Bible.

[KLHJ2]

Write a poem about your struggles and see how many albums it sells. Your distaste should not be about rap it should be for the society and lifestyle that caused it. Nobody wants to be a thug and promote that lifestyle, but they can only speak of their own experiences. America gets off on tragedy because the majority of the populatation experiences and embraces it because it's all the know.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Angry

Write a poem about your struggles and see how many albums it sells. Your distatste should not be about rap it should be for the society and lifestyle that caused it. Nobody wants to be a thug and promote that lifestyle, but they can only speak of their own experiences. America gets off on tragedy because the majority of the populatation experiences and embraces it because it's all the know.

America embraces it because it's what's sold to them and we're largely a nation of sheep. Add that to the fact that there's not many better (harmless) ways for suburban white kids to piss off their parents, and it's a pretty good recipe to sell albums. Completely agree with your point about distaste for the society that produces the conditions these clowns are talking about, but let's not pretend this is high art. I don't think any form of media (music, games, etc) is going to get someone to pull a trigger they weren't already going to pull, my argument is that people glorify the music as if it has a heightened significance.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

America embraces it because it's what's sold to them and we're largely a nation of sheep. Add that to the fact that there's not many better (harmless) ways for suburban white kids to piss off their parents, and it's a pretty good recipe to sell albums. Completely agree with your point about distaste for the society that produces the conditions these clowns are talking about, but let's not pretend this is high art. I don't think any form of media (music, games, etc) is going to get someone to pull a trigger they weren't already going to pull, my argument is that people glorify the music as if it has a heightened significance.

I don't like comparing people to sheep but since you want to go that route yes, society treats the poverty stricken level of society like sheep.

Ask yourself why urban kids want to piss their parents off. Perhaps they were wronged in one way shape or form? IDK maybe a father left when they were a child or was too drunk to take interest in his chils life, or perhaps their mother was addicted to drugs and didn't provide the proper level of attention necessary to nourish a child.

Art is a depiction of life through the narrators eyes whether it be through a visual or audio description. Just because you do not think that it is high art doesn't mean that it isn't. Again we go back to opinion and what others can relate to and or crave.

You're right, someone who is going to act on a negative impulse is going to do so regardless of influence. That is why your argument that "such behavior is glorified with a heightened significance" holds no water.

Everyday people do things that they are not proud of and have the guts to tell the tale. Some people use those examples as motivation, as we agreed, and were going to act on their own impulses anyway and others are just intrigued and informed by it.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Angry

Write a poem about your struggles and see how many albums it sells. Your distaste should not be about rap it should be for the society and lifestyle that caused it. Nobody wants to be a thug and promote that lifestyle, but they can only speak of their own experiences. America gets off on tragedy because the majority of the populatation experiences and embraces it because it's all the know.

I'd say their parents probably choose that life style and did nothing to better them self. I'm just glade that everyone that has talent from the inner city does not do so by selling death, drugs, and bitches. If thats the best you think he can do then I question his talent to begin with. I also have said I really don't blame them I blame MTV and other that promoted them and those life styles.

[Valleyranchgirl]

2Pac touched me Biggie never did.