Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?

Sadly, yes. Looks like a mess in the making. Of course, if McNabb plays well against his old team, this all might could go away. I hate having the bye week after a loss like yesterday.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Sadly, yes. Looks like a mess in the making. Of course, if McNabb plays well against his old team, this all might could go away. I hate having the bye week after a loss like yesterday.

Yeah I hear ya, but at the same time after a loss like that having some time off may be just what the doctor ordered.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I hear ya, but at the same time after a loss like that having some time off may be just what the doctor ordered.

That's true. A week from today, maybe all the QB conversation will have calmed, and the Cowboys will be 1-7.

[takethecake]

That is a really good analysis by Peter King. Overall, my perception of the whole "benching" thing is that none of us really know enough information to make an informed analysis of whether Shanahan was right or wrong. Without overwhelming evidence suggesting a judgmental error, I'm going to assume that he had good reasons for such a shocking move.

And for the record, I still am not buying into this whole "Shanahan ego" thing. He's the head coach. He can't let himself be pushed around. You can argue whether Haynesworth should have played against Indy, and that the McNabb benching cost us the game (which it didn't, our OL was terrible), but I would much rather "give up" a couple games in the short term if it maintains the players' respect and enforces discipline for the rest of Shanahan's time in Washington.

It's easy to blame the coach, but I have confidence in what Shanahan is doing. He's the only HC that has looked like he has a plan in over a decade.

[LavaRnChad]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

That's true. A week from today, maybe all the QB conversation will have calmed, and the Cowboys will be 1-7.

If Dallas went 0-16, it still wouldn't make me feel better. Especially that we may very well be in the same places they will be after week 17... AT HOME DURING THE PLAYOFFS. That "Dallas sucks" mentality while we SUCK ALSO is just too funny. I could care less what they are doing.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?

That is the most probable answer Matty but, McNabb has always played up and down. He has always been "unbendable" He is what he is. When you bring in a McNabb, you have to be willing to mold your O around him.

With that said a QB should be able to play to the strengths of the O. I think that is what Shanny is saying here.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?

I think that they just believe that Grossman is a lot better than he is. Therefore, it was a strategic alternative to replace an ineffective McNabb with a sound backup in Rex Grossman.

Rex Grossman, of course, is the kind of player that helps your roster look good on paper, but isn't actually valuable to the team in a backup role where he has to play. Sort of like Jon Kitna.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think that they just believe that Grossman is a lot better than he is. Therefore, it was a strategic alternative to replace an ineffective McNabb with a sound backup in Rex Grossman.

Rex Grossman, of course, is the kind of player that helps your roster look good on paper, but isn't actually valuable to the team in a backup role where he has to play. Sort of like Jon Kitna.

So do you buy Shanahan's reasoning that Grossman knows the 2 minute offense better?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So do you buy Shanahan's reasoning that Grossman knows the 2 minute offense better?

I willing to bet in this offense KS's from Houston Grossman knows it better then McNabb.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So do you buy Shanahan's reasoning that Grossman knows the 2 minute offense better?

I buy it. And it's troubling. I mentioned earlier in this thread the fact that McNabb hasn't had to learn a new offensive system since his rookie year over a decade ago. Can't teach an old dog.... I dunno. But he's obviously having a tough time grasping the offense- reportedly tougher than the Shanahan's expected. Couple that with weak receivers, a weak line, and 2nd-3rd string type RBs. Well, there you go. Our offense is pretty bad.

Like you said- he and Kyle need to lock themselves in a room together during the bye and get on the same page.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?

I don't think you wait until the 2 minute warning to decide and send a msg to your QB. I just think it was a poor decision.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?

To me it really doesn't matter whether he's studying his ass off or not. He's just not consistent enough on a down to down basis. Bottom line is who trades a QB WITHIN THE DIVISION if they think he's going to come back and hurt them? Philly knew and once again we've been had on a trade. You wouldn't see Tom Brady getting traded to the Jets or Miami.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To me it really doesn't matter whether he's studying his ass off or not. He's just not consistent enough on a down to down basis. Bottom line is who trades a QB WITHIN THE DIVISION if they think he's going to come back and hurt them? Philly knew and once again we've been had on a trade. You wouldn't see Tom Brady getting traded to the Jets or Miami.

The sad part is that we could have used that 2nd rounder on a C or G, I also wanted to keep Campbell. McNabb so far has proven to be inconsistent whether it's due to learning new system, shitty OL or being washed up or all of the above. I'll give McNabb a chance to finish the season and then assess were he fits with the team or doesn't. Right now we don't have anyone who is better.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The sad part is that we could have used that 2nd rounder on a C or G, I also wanted to keep Campbell. McNabb so far has proven to be inconsistent whether it's due to learning new system, shitty OL or being washed up or all of the above. I'll give McNabb a chance to finish the season and then assess were he fits with the team or doesn't. Right now we don't have anyone who is better.

I'd start Grossman. I'm so over McNabb. I know he doesn't have a line but I've never seen an NFL QB so inaccurate in my life. Brady is throwing to two rookie TE's, Deion Branch, Bradon Tate, and some RB that got cut by the Jets yet he's making it happen.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd start Grossman. I'm so over McNabb. I know he doesn't have a line but I've never seen an NFL QB so inaccurate in my life. Brady is throwing to two rookie TE's, Deion Branch, Bradon Tate, and some RB that got cut by the Jets yet he's making it happen.

That's the difference between Brady and McNabb, one is great the other one isn't.