Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

[SolidSnake84]

I think Honestly that Andy Reid watched Donovan's mistakes time and time again and saw how the little things added up that cost them the big games, and i think he just wanted a fresh start.

At this point, unless McNabb turns into a Pro Bowler overnight, then Philadelphia was justified in trading him, we "rented" another former star for one year, and we still have no clear cut direction going forward.

I think maybe a QB change could spark this team, in light of Shanahan's problem with McNabb. I knew that DM had his issues, but i am kind of shocked that they would say that he is in poor shape and has bad practices. It's obviously true, but i still can't believe they would just come out and say it.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I think Honestly that Andy Reid watched Donovan's mistakes time and time again and saw how the little things added up that cost them the big games, and i think he just wanted a fresh start.

At this point, unless McNabb turns into a Pro Bowler overnight, then Philadelphia was justified in trading him, we "rented" another former star for one year, and we still have no clear cut direction going forward.

I think maybe a QB change could spark this team, in light of Shanahan's problem with McNabb. I knew that DM had his issues, but i am kind of shocked that they would say that he is in poor shape and has bad practices. It's obviously true, but i still can't believe they would just come out and say it.

I can see that, but still, why all the different excuses coming out of Redskin Park by the hour? And if these things are all true, why didn't Shanny start Rex in previous games? There is a credibilty gap there. All of a sudden DM isn't starter material with little over two minutes to go?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I can see that, but still, why all the different excuses coming out of Redskin Park by the hour? And if these things are all true, why didn't Shanny start Rex in previous games? There is a credibilty gap there. All of a sudden DM isn't starter material with little over two minutes to go?

Well, to answer your last question, Shanahan said that he considered benching McNabb after the win against the Eagles. He has not liked the way McNabb has played, and i guess he just wanted to see if a few more games would change things. McNabb has regressed and Shanahan knows he has to try something different now or the season could be lost.

[GusFrerotte]

Shoot if Haslett could stay on and really get the D going, I would take another shot at Norv once the axe falls in San Diego, if Shanny bolts next season. Give Jim the HC job Norv back at OC or Give Norv the HC/OC and keep Jim as DC. I know I am really going off on a tangent, but these excuses coming out every few hours is moronic. Is this guy for real? He is losing credibility by the hour!!!!!

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Shoot if Haslett could stay on and really get the D going, I would take another shot at Norv once the axe falls in San Diego, if Shanny bolts next season. Give Jim the HC job Norv back at OC or Give Norv the HC/OC and keep Jim as DC. I know I am really going off on a tangent, but these excuses coming out every few hours is moronic. Is this guy for real? He is losing credibility by the hour!!!!!

I'm all for blowing things up again here if the season totally tanks, but isn't Norv like 70 years old???

Nothing against elderly people (this time lol, reference to a thread long ago), but we need a somewhat young coach who could be here for more than 3 or 4 years.

But thinking of old coaches, is there any chance at all we can get Joe Gibbs to come back if Shanahan quits or is fired??

That last part is meant to be a joke. I remember when i was still at Extreme Skins and they actually had a long thread about how they could try and get Joe Gibbs to come back after Zorn's first 8-8 season....lol

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I'm all for blowing things up again here if the season totally tanks, but isn't Norv like 70 years old???

Nothing against elderly people (this time lol, reference to a thread long ago), but we need a somewhat young coach who could be here for more than 3 or 4 years.

But thinking of old coaches, is there any chance at all we can get Joe Gibbs to come back if Shanahan quits or is fired??

That last part is meant to be a joke. I remember when i was still at Extreme Skins and they actually had a long thread about how they could try and get Joe Gibbs to come back after Zorn's first 8-8 season....lol

Norv isn't even 60 yet, where do u get this stuff?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Norv isn't even 60 yet, where do u get this stuff?

Matty please forgive me. I remembered Norv as a former coach from way back and confused him with Marty Shottenheimer, who i believe is near 70. Again, my apologies.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I'm all for blowing things up again here if the season totally tanks, but isn't Norv like 70 years old???

Nothing against elderly people (this time lol, reference to a thread long ago), but we need a somewhat young coach who could be here for more than 3 or 4 years.

But thinking of old coaches, is there any chance at all we can get Joe Gibbs to come back if Shanahan quits or is fired??

That last part is meant to be a joke. I remember when i was still at Extreme Skins and they actually had a long thread about how they could try and get Joe Gibbs to come back after Zorn's first 8-8 season....lol

Norv isn't even 60, and honestly, we have not had a consistently decent offense since Norv was here. I would take him back as our OC after watching years of crap on the offensive side of the ball.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Norv isn't even 60, and honestly, we have not had a consistently decent offense since Norv was here. I would take him back as our OC after watching years of crap on the offensive side of the ball.

I confused Norv with Shottenheimer. I agree with you though. Looking back on the stats, the redskins problem for a very long time has been a weak offense. Except for 2005, when were we blowing anybody out??

What was their secret in 2005? Brunell was playing like the Pro Bowl QB he was in Jacksonville, Portis was not physically shot, Santana was looking like an All Pro, and Joe Gibbs had found his Midas Touch again. But what did they actually do that made the offense so powerful?? I mean we even had a 43 year old starting lineman...

Why can't Shanahan do the same thing???

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I'm all for blowing things up again here if the season totally tanks, but isn't Norv like 70 years old???

Nothing against elderly people (this time lol, reference to a thread long ago), but we need a somewhat young coach who could be here for more than 3 or 4 years.

But thinking of old coaches, is there any chance at all we can get Joe Gibbs to come back if Shanahan quits or is fired??

Norv's problem was he was too laid back and his pass defense, minus Darrell was very bad. And I am not all that serious about wanting Norv back, but this excuse a minute for the benching crap is weird. I rather have a guy with balls, and who takes responsiblity, and can work with what he has and adapt that with his system he has brought in. Donovan came in here really excited and with a great attitude, just to be treated like a scapegoat? Sure I admit, that he hasn't played to expectations, but what QB can with a substandard line that is learning an entirely different blocking scheme? Gibbs would have never done this, Norv or Spurrier either.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Norv's problem was he was too laid back and his pass defense, minus Darrell was very bad. And I am not all that serious about wanting Norv back, but this excuse a minute for the benching crap is weird. I rather have a guy with balls, and who takes responsiblity, and can work with what he has and adapt that with his system he has brought in. Donovan came in here really excited and with a great attitude, just to be treated like a scapegoat? Sure I admit, that he hasn't played to expectations, but what QB can with a substandard line that is learning an entirely different blocking scheme? Gibbs would have never done this, Norv or Spurrier either.

I honestly don't want Norv either, but it's fun to reminisce to a time when we had an offense that could kick some serious ass with both potent running and passing attacks.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I honestly don't want Norv either, but it's fun to reminisce to a time when we had an offense that could kick some serious ass with both potent running and passing attacks.

Bring back Terry Allen and Henry Ellard.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Shoot if Haslett could stay on and really get the D going, I would take another shot at Norv once the axe falls in San Diego, if Shanny bolts next season. Give Jim the HC job Norv back at OC or Give Norv the HC/OC and keep Jim as DC. I know I am really going off on a tangent, but these excuses coming out every few hours is moronic. Is this guy for real? He is losing credibility by the hour!!!!!

If we brought Norv back as HC, I would instantly resign as a moderator here and leave this site.

[MTK]

Just shoot me now, not sure I can take 2 weeks of this talk

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just shoot me now, not sure I can take 2 weeks of this talk

You can thank the head coach for materializing this out of thin air.