Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

He isn't so far off the mark or off the wall. The best coaches are the ones who can adapt their system to the players he has to work with and utilize there strengths in the best possible manner. Maybe Kyle isn't doing that as much as he could.

Actually I think it is complete nonsense. He makes about 48 assumptions on an act that more likely was made "looking for a spark" (as has been mentioned), or to get DM's attention.
Dude is getting sloppy. AND that DOES NOT mean I think DM lost the game for us.
Indicting the coaching staff based on this stuff......is childish.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Actually I think it is complete nonsense. He makes about 48 assumptions on an act that more likely was made "looking for a spark" (as has been mentioned), or to get DM's attention.
Dude is getting sloppy. AND that DOES NOT mean I think DM lost the game for us.
Indicting the coaching staff based on this stuff......is childish.

Not really. The offense has sucked so far. I know a lot is the line, but the last few games it looks disjointed, no fluid rhythm yet. I mean aren't the coaches the ones that will do the actual tinkering to get things right? They need to make adjustments according to what they have personnel wise, so I don't think his prior comment was totally whack. Mike/ Kyle are the ones that are charged with getting the offense straightened out, and if it is a problem with execution, then Mike/Kyle needs to make the corresponding personnel changes. Piss poor play and play calling both can be laid at the feet of the coaching staff. That is why after a crappy season or seasons the coaching staffs are the ones that get the boot.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hog1

That is a lot to gleen from a staff you have never met, people you don't know and a game I presume you have never participated in at the pro level?
based on one....arbitrary act??

Well said

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by Hog1

That is a lot to gleen from a staff you have never met, people you don't know and a game I presume you have never participated in at the pro level?
based on one....arbitrary act??

That's what most folks do on forums like this--opine on things that they likely have not done, on people they have not met. If the forum was confined to those who meet the coaches and play the game then I imagine it would be a pretty silent forum.

And it was NOT an arbitrary act. Quite the contrary--Shanahan explained his deliberate reasoning behind it. Which I disagree with. Why do I disagree with it? Because McNabb has offered me evidence of his abilities over the past 12 years as has Grossman over his career. Coupled with the fact that Grossman was cold and the fact that a decision like this typically confuses a team (which many of the Skins' postgame comments seem to already hint to)--this leads me to form my opinion.

But what do I know. I didn't play or coach football. Just like Todd Haley...

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

That's what most folks do on forums like this--opine on things that they likely have not done, on people they have not met. If the forum was confined to those who meet the coaches and play the game then I imagine it would be a pretty silent forum.

And it was NOT an arbitrary act. Quite the contrary--Shanahan explained his deliberate reasoning behind it. Which I disagree with. Why do I disagree with it? Because McNabb has offered me evidence of his abilities over the past 12 years as has Grossman over his career. Coupled with the fact that Grossman was cold and the fact that a decision like this typically confuses a team (which many of the Skins' postgame comments seem to already hint to)--this leads me to form my opinion.

But what do I know. I didn't play or coach football. Just like Todd Haley...

Your indictments of the coaching staff based on nothing but idle speculation is silly.

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Your indictments of the coaching staff based on nothing but idle speculation is silly.

Touche. I'll just remain on my side of the fence with those that are also very critical of today's awful coaching decision: Tony Dungy, Rodney Harrison, Trevor Matich, Brian Mitchell, Antonio Freeman, John Riggins. I even think some of them coached and played...

[tc2deuce]

i mean....don't they practice against AH?......

[12thMan]

The fact is Shanahan has been doing it with smoke and mirrors all season long. When it worked, it appeared as though we had some sleepers [on the roster] who might be keepers. When it didn't, particularly along the offensive line and at wide receiver, those deficiencies were glaring and obvious.

This Redskins team have one legitimate starting caliber lineman along the offensive front, and that's Trent Williams. The rest of the bums are probably back-ups on most, if not all, NFL rosters. Every single one of them.

From a fan's perspective, the question is has Shanahan and Co. done everything in their power to put this team in the best position to compete and win? On most days, the answer is probably yes. But there have been some head scratchers in terms of personnel decisions along the way: The Haynesworth love hate game. Devin Thomas, if not a bona-fide threat, certainly a physical talent being released in favor of a cadre of training camp rejects. Then benching and de-activating Derrick Dockery in favor of Lichensteiger (or whatever the hell is name is), for what appears to be Dockery either not grasping or fitting the system properly. Sure Derrick Dockery is no Pro-Bowler but, really, you don't even suit up Dockery for the game as you watch the Lions pin McNabb to the turf every other play? The coaches obviously knows what's best, but have some of these moves and decisions come at the expense of fielding the best 53? Truth is we may never really know the answer to that question, but it's a question that must be asked nonetheless.

Thus far this season has come down to some gutsy performances by a very inconsistent, and at times struggling, Donovan McNabb and a handful of all star, individual performances. In other words, the coaching staff, while dramitically better than last year's version, has rarely outcoached the other side this year. It's been all left up to the talent on the field.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The fact is Shanahan has been doing it with smoke and mirrors all season long. When it worked, it appeared as though we had some sleepers [on the roster] who might be keepers. When it didn't, particularly along the offensive line and at wide receiver, those deficiencies were glaring and obvious.

This Redskins team have one legitimate starting caliber lineman along the offensive front, and that's Trent Williams. The rest of the bums are probably back-ups on most, if not all, NFL rosters. Every single one of them.

From a fan's perspective, the question is has Shanahan and Co. done everything in their power to put this team in the best position to compete and win? On most days, the answer is probably yes. But there have been some head scratchers in terms of personnel decisions along the way: The Haynesworth love hate game. Devin Thomas, if not a bona-fide threat, certainly a physical talent being released in favor of a cadre of training camp rejects. Then benching and de-activating Derrick Dockery in favor of Lichensteiger (or whatever the hell is name is), for what appears to be Dockery either not grasping or fitting the system properly. Sure Derrick Dockery is no Pro-Bowler but, really, you don't even suit up Dockery for the game as you watch the Lions pin McNabb to the turf every other play? The coaches obviously knows what's best, but have some of these moves and decisions come at the expense of fielding the best 53? Truth is we may never really know the answer to that question, but it's a question that must be asked nonetheless.

Thus far this season has come down to some gutsy performances by a very inconsistent, and at times struggling, Donovan McNabb and a handful of all star, individual performances. In other words, the coaching staff, while dramitically better than last year's version, has rarely outcoached the other side this year. It's been all left up to the talent on the field.

Most thoughtful post in an otherwise dreadful thread.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The fact is Shanahan has been doing it with smoke and mirrors all season long. When it worked, it appeared as though we had some sleepers [on the roster] who might be keepers. When it didn't, particularly along the offensive line and at wide receiver, those deficiencies were glaring and obvious.

This Redskins team have one legitimate starting caliber lineman along the offensive front, and that's Trent Williams. The rest of the bums are probably back-ups on most, if not all, NFL rosters. Every single one of them.

From a fan's perspective, the question is has Shanahan and Co. done everything in their power to put this team in the best position to compete and win? On most days, the answer is probably yes. But there have been some head scratchers in terms of personnel decisions along the way: The Haynesworth love hate game. Devin Thomas, if not a bona-fide threat, certainly a physical talent being released in favor of a cadre of training camp rejects. Then benching and de-activating Derrick Dockery in favor of Lichensteiger (or whatever the hell is name is), for what appears to be Dockery either not grasping or fitting the system properly. Sure Derrick Dockery is no Pro-Bowler but, really, you don't even suit up Dockery for the game as you watch the Lions pin McNabb to the turf every other play? The coaches obviously knows what's best, but have some of these moves and decisions come at the expense of fielding the best 53? Truth is we may never really know the answer to that question, but it's a question that must be asked nonetheless.

Thus far this season has come down to some gutsy performances by a very inconsistent, and at times struggling, Donovan McNabb and a handful of all star, individual performances. In other words, the coaching staff, while dramitically better than last year's version, has rarely outcoached the other side this year. It's been all left up to the talent on the field.

That is why I didn't think the newbie poster was so whack with questioning the Shanny's coaching. You don't have to know the people personally, to question their job performance. To be fair to the SHanny's though, this is just a case of trying to fit square pegs into round holes. You don't have linemen that are used to or fit the bill for the new blocking schemes and since you really can't get rid of an entire line roster in one season you have to make due with what you have. That is what the best coaches do, they can tinker with the system to fit the talent they have. Yeah our line is a bunch of bums, but you have to find a way to make it work at least for the 2010 season, til you can get a few more linemen in that fit your blocking scheme. This it is my way(system) or the higway crap doesn't work all too well if your talent pool just isn't built for it. Just ask Rich Rod at U of M. He has loads of talent, but his system has created a one man offense. Don't even get me going on the Wolverine D!!!!!!!!!

[Big C]

i really wish that dockery would get back in the starting lineup. cant be much worse than what we already have. also, rabach is killing us. stepping on mcnabb 2 times, lots of holding calls, getting overpowered, etc.

mcnabb didnt play a great game, but the o-line and dumb penalties lost us this game (offsides on the field goal attempt, instead of 3 they got 7)

[MTK]

Yeah that penalty on the FG was killer. We had too many shoot ourselves in the foot type plays. Eventually they become too tough to overcome.

[rbanerjee23]

I'm amazed they kept Rabach...that guy is so past his prime it's absurd. Trent Williams did okay, probably not his best day, but an average performance. But compared to the rest of the line he is a pro-bowler.

OL still has to be fixed. Is that really big news? But we have to keep things in perspective, we started over this past offseason so it is going to take a year or two to become decent. Hopefully we learn something from this debacle and continue to improve.

[BleedBurgundy]

Hate to use an old warpath-cliche but "Was McNabb responsible for covering megatron?" I have not been impressed with D Mac this year, and I thought he looked horrendous. But... there's not a qb in the league that can play well with the kind of pressure #5 faced today. If i were mike shanahan, each of our interior linemen would be taking a bus home, wouldn't even allow them on the team plane.

If Shanahan wants to switch to Rex, I'm ok with it, but I think the timing of the move was very odd. Last two minutes, with a chance to win is not the time to do make that call. When you factor in that we are heading into a bye week... makes no sense. I really don't like the "Grossman knows the 2 minute offense better than McNabb" excuse either, if anything, the playbook is thinner running the 2 minute drill...

[SUNRA]

For those who are ready to dump McNabb for Grossman in week 8 after an embarrassing O-line performance allowing 5 sacks and God knows how many hurried passes, you need to understand why we are 4-4 going into the bye week. As someone mentioned in another thread, it is too late in the day to argue whether McNabb is the answer in the future for the Redskins. He has proven he can throw 50+ yards in completions more than any QB this year with a new team made up of castaways, rejects, some promising rookies and no real possession Receiver. McNabb needs more than anything pass protection and a playmaker when plays aren't there. This has plagued this team for 10 seasons and still has not been resolved. The bye week should give Terrance Alston some play time and de-activate Joey Galloway. Portis will hopefully return against the Eagles and provide pass protection for a deficient line. McNabb will get it done in time.