Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

17/30, 210 pass yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 45 rush yards, and we scored 2 fewer points than our highest total of the season (27), but people still want to blame McNabb.

I know stats don't tell the whole story, but give me a break -- we scored 25 points under the most awful conditions WITH McNabb running the offense. We scored more points than 16 other teams that played today, and our 25 points would have been enough to win 6 of the 11 other games that were played today. Take it for what it's worth.

Not that I support the benching of McNabb but our offense only scored 19 points today. The other 6 came from Banks. On top of that last week we only managed 10 points though it should have been 13 (still way below what the numbers we should be putting up). Red Zone offense and 3rd down conversions is in need of a huge overhaul. And before you blame the receivers remember we have two guys playing at a pro bowl level. Thats two more then a lot of teams out there.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Not that I support the benching of McNabb but our offense only scored 19 points today. The other 6 came from Banks. On top of that last week we only managed 10 points though it should have been 13 (still way below what the numbers we should be putting up). Red Zone offense and 3rd down conversions is in need of a huge overhaul. And before you blame the receivers remember we have two guys playing at a pro bowl level. Thats two more then a lot of teams out there.

Yeah I realize that, but who knows how the other 16 teams got their points. Those teams' points could have come from units other than offense, so for comparison, we must look at the team total. It's a team effort and 25 points is enough to win the majority of games. It doesn't mean everything, but it means something. So, take it for what it's worth.

Yeah, McNabb can do better, but 210/1/1 (and 45 yards rushing) should be enough to win a game.

[skinsguy]

First of all, I didn't agree with Shanahan's decision to pull McNabb, I think it was a stupid move.

Second of all, there are a lot of factors as to why the Redskins lost yesterday and haven't been as exciting to watch on offense as what we had hoped. You would had to have been deaf, dumb, and blind not to see how horrible the OL played yesterday. And it hasn't been just yesterday. That group has been declining the past few weeks. Rebach needs to be replaced, and Stephon Heyer is trash. Honestly, the only guy on the front line that is worth staying is Trent Williams.

Thirdly, we are down to Williams in the backfield? A rookie? Our third string RB? While I am very high on Torrain, we really miss Portis' pass protection! I would say that Clinton Portis is probably the best pass blocking RB in the game.

Fourthly, Not sure why Kyle Shanahan isn't going max protection (maybe he just doesn't feel like he has the personnel to do it) but it seems to me that it would be in the best interest to go max protect and switch to a shorter passing game...something that Donovan was used to in Philly. Maybe they will work on this during the bye? I think Kyle can be a great offensive mind, but he's calling some boneheaded plays too.

Fifthly, dumb stupid penalties and mistakes at the wrong time. I would say more times than not, despite the offensive woes this team has been having, the team beats themselves. The penalty on the field goal try, the holding penalties, the false starts, etc....all penalties that have to do with playing undisciplined. I can understand having to hold every now and then (with hopes of getting away with it) to keep from your QB getting killed, but that isn't always the case with these calls.

Sixth, I really have to give praise and chastisement of the defense. They play really solid and they are starting to make big plays. Having a plus ratio in turnovers is awesome, but they just can't seem to come up with the big play when they need it the most. How can a second year QB throw a pass to a double covered WR in the end zone on fourth down? However, overall, the defense has looked pretty solid and I think they will continue to improve.

Lastly (I know, thank God, right?) Donavon McNabb. I understand that he is learning a new system, but it doesn't matter what system you are in. You see a wide open receiver, you throw it to him. He's been overthrowing and under throwing wide open guys every game. So many times he could have hit a quick home run strike and he would miss the WR's. That is on McNabb. Has nothing to do with pass protection or a new scheme. He's a pro bowl player and I don't believe that this system is so different that he doesn't know it by now. I expect him to make a few mistakes, but please don't talk about it being a new system. Either those Philly fans were right about McNabb, or there is some other underlying issue that we have not been made aware of. But, I will say, benching McNabb yesterday was stupid. You live and die by him, he's your QB for the long haul. No QB is going to win you very many games behind that OL right now. Those are just facts. Tom Brady would be like Ryan Leaf behind this OL right now. So, don't put all of the blame on DM. At the same time, don't think he gets a free pass either. He has just as much work to do as everybody else on the team.

Right now, you win and lose as a team. And the Redskins are finding ways to lose as a team. Eliminate those stupid mistakes and that alone can take you quite far. I'm just hoping KS will come up with some quicker modification of the offense while our OL is trash.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

But, I will say, benching McNabb yesterday was stupid. You live and die by him, he's your QB for the long haul. No QB is going to win you very many games behind that OL right now.

Gotta disagree with this. Who says he's our QB for the long haul? He's played like garbage this year. He's only under contract through the end of this year. There's a very uncertain labor situation going into next year. He's 34 years old right now. Looking at all of that information, why would you declare him "here for the long haul?"

The reason is that we gave up a 2nd round pick and that he "used" to be good when he played for the Eagles. The problem with that reasoning is that you can't worry about that 2nd rounder, it's already gone and it's not coming back. Compounding the mistake by re-signing a guy who is a bad fit in this offense makes no sense at this point. You really have to look at the situation as a "what is" not a "what should/could/would be." McNabb has been a below average qb this year. That's what he is RIGHT NOW. If that changes before the end of the year, great. But if not, we'll move forward with someone new. Dude's been here 6 months, we're not committed to anyone for the "long haul" yet.

Also... we're a .500 ball club at the bye, and we've been winning in spite of our offense. The defense is handling the transition to the 3-4 better than we could have expected, especially given the lack of ideal personnel with which to run it. Special teams has been a huge improvement. Things could be much worse.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Gotta disagree with this. Who says he's our QB for the long haul? He's played like garbage this year. He's only under contract through the end of this year. There's a very uncertain labor situation going into next year. He's 34 years old right now. Looking at all of that information, why would you declare him "here for the long haul?"

The reason is that we gave up a 2nd round pick and that he "used" to be good when he played for the Eagles. The problem with that reasoning is that you can't worry about that 2nd rounder, it's already gone and it's not coming back. Compounding the mistake by re-signing a guy who is a bad fit in this offense makes no sense at this point. You really have to look at the situation as a "what is" not a "what should/could/would be." McNabb has been a below average qb this year. That's what he is RIGHT NOW. If that changes before the end of the year, great. But if not, we'll move forward with someone new. Dude's been here 6 months, we're not committed to anyone for the "long haul" yet.

Also... we're a .500 ball club at the bye, and we've been winning in spite of our offense. Things could be much worse.

If anything we should be pretty damn happy we didn't give him a long term deal the second he walked in the door. We've got an easy out with him if things don't turn around. Sure it would suck to lose those picks, but thankfully we're not tied down with him.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Gotta disagree with this. Who says he's our QB for the long haul? He's played like garbage this year. He's only under contract through the end of this year. There's a very uncertain labor situation going into next year. He's 34 years old right now. Looking at all of that information, why would you declare him "here for the long haul?"

The reason is that we gave up a 2nd round pick and that he "used" to be good when he played for the Eagles. The problem with that reasoning is that you can't worry about that 2nd rounder, it's already gone and it's not coming back. Compounding the mistake by re-signing a guy who is a bad fit in this offense makes no sense at this point. You really have to look at the situation as a "what is" not a "what should/could/would be." McNabb has been a below average qb this year. That's what he is RIGHT NOW. If that changes before the end of the year, great. But if not, we'll move forward with someone new. Dude's been here 6 months, we're not committed to anyone for the "long haul" yet.

Also... we're a .500 ball club at the bye, and we've been winning in spite of our offense. The defense is handling the transition to the 3-4 better than we could have expected, especially given the lack of ideal personnel with which to run it. Special teams has been a huge improvement. Things could be much worse.

I totally believe the coaching staff and FO are using the same rationale, and personally I think it's great. I don't agree with the timing of the McNabb benching, and from my ignorant perspective I think McNabb is better than Grossman. However, although we haven't necessarily seen it yet, it seems this coaching staff and FO is willing to admit when they make a mistake, and that's nice.