D-Line.

[Daseal]

That could certainly happen, diehard. I'm just saying I think they'll fall off. Possibly out of the top 10, I think we'll have a pretty good and exciting defense. We may be ranked lower but get more turnovers/scores.

[heybigstar]

You have to think, this is long term.
Springs and Harris are old...
in order to build we need to draft to fill what our potential needs will be
a year or 2 from now. Thats how the Eagles do it.

[Daseal]

I have seen a few people moving Jackson to TE which wouldn't be suprising with his size.

Many people say the same thing about Mike Williams. That's why he went to USC over FLorida. Florida wanted him to be a TE.

[jrocx69]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I see a lot of people are interested in bolstering our defensive line. Going into the season we have Wynn - Griffen - (noble/salava'e rotation) - Daniels. This line isn't star-studded by any means. Griffen played amazing ball last year, I doubt he can keep that up but I hope so. Wynn is constantly solid. Noble/Salavae'a did a great job in my opinion. Always a fresh person in there and played hard. Daniels we haven't seen, but I think he could be good.

We don't have any top tier pass rushers there, but I'm willing to say we don't need any. Not only are great DEs some of the most expensive players to pay, they are some of the hardest to find consistantly in the draft. Williams brings pressure from everywhere and anywhere. With the blitzers we have in Springs, Arringon, Taylor, Bowen, and Washington is it really necessary to be able to creat havoc with our front four? Not only that, do you want to see us rushing only four and dropping back into coverage?

Personally, I love the jaillbreak blitzes Williams runs. They're exciting, they're fun to watch, and they can force other teams into mistakes. While I wouldn't mind having a stud on the defensive line, I don't feel it's worth the high draft pick and/or the salary one would command. We have a great blitzing team as is now. The line in it's current form seems to do their job of occupying blockers and playing pretty damn solid against the run. I think we have much bigger needs to spend our cash on!

wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal

Tell it like it is my brother!

We need a better line on Defense and that would componsate for smoots leaving.

I wanted brown and i am not gonna say i didn't just because damn champ got him to go to Denver. i hate denver. outside our division it goes denver minnosota then the ravens.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal

We didn't need it last year and with Arrington back we should be better, the only reason we didn't finish #1 is because our offense left our defense on the field for 2/3rd's of every game, I will guarentee you Williams will pressure and sack the QB more than most teams this upcoming season with out a big name pass rusher, I would like you to name the bonified pass rusher coming out of college that will be lets say just a 10 sack player? Drafting a DE doesn't mean he will dominate opposing tackles.

Common sense? How did the Giants in there SB years pressure the QB? With LB's. How do the Patriots who have won 3 of the last 4 SB's pressure the QB? Seymour is their big time DE, and he has totaled 21 sacks in 4 years not exactly a sack machine.

There are many defensive schemes, and the fact is there are very few dominating DE's, so to design a defense to pressure the QB with our LB's and safeties is the smart thing to do, it is much more confusing for the QB.

Anyone would like a big time DE, but unless your saying that either Merriman or Arasmus Jones are big time DE's [because most say they are undersized to be considered true DE's] then they will be used as pass rushing specialists [because we don't want them getting blown off the ball on running plays], where they use their speed not their power, and if that's the case there isn't much difference between our LB's who all are probably faster than either 1 of the 2.

So how do you address the DE problem?

I know Williams addresses it with our LB's and safeties.

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal

Wait - doesn't "deutsche" mean "german," in german?

What kind of insult is this?

Did you mean "Douche?"

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

Wait - doesn't "deutsche" mean "german," in german?

What kind of insult is this?

Did you mean "Douche?"

that's pretty damn funny

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal

there's really no need for a garbage post like this

[Daseal]

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal

I'm glad you could make it personal, cock.

Every team has one good Dline player - ours is Griffen. Chargers made it far without shit besides Jamal Williams, Colts have no one but Freeney, Steelers - the #1 defense have Chris Hoke as their best Dline player.

However, the Saints have Charles Grant and Darren Howard, Carolina has Kris Jenkins and Julius Peppers (Kris was hurt part of the year), Marcus Stroud and John Henderson played very well for the Jags, Chicago has Ogun and Alex Brown with Tommy Harris in the middle. Boy did those lines really put them right in the thick of the playoffs!

Defensive line and passrushing means nothing. If the defensive line stops the run, Williams system caters to letting the linebackers, and DB's blitz.

If you don't like my opinion, don't read my fucking posts. I'm sorry I don't have unrelenting optomism like the rest of you, but I haven't once brought a personal attack onto someone I disagree with. This site is for speculation, and until I'm proven wrong, I'm just as right as anyone as far as next season concerned. In closing, fuck off.

[SmootSmack]

I wish I had paid attention to this thread earlier tonight, hopefully this isn't going to turn into another ugly thread that we have to lock

Look, it's one thing to disagree with Daseal. We've all done it at one point or another. But there's no need to resort to making it personal and calling him names.

And Daseal, I can completely understand why you got frustrated and responded the way you did but next time (and this applies to everyone) try to just swallow your pride and "walk away" Let the moderators take care of things when they start to get ugly. That's why we're here.

[Daseal]

I've taken a lot of swipes from some of the newer members who I guess don't like my view on the skins. I've been able to contain myself up until the 10 hour homework binge I call Tuesday. I shouldn't have lashed out as such, but I'm all for playful kidding and I get it a lot. That's fine. It totally seperate when someone (who rarely has anything constructive to actually add) comes in and makes comments which are personal and have no bearing on the board - I'll only tolerate so much of it without responding. Either way - this is the last I'll say on the topic.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I've taken a lot of swipes from some of the newer members who I guess don't like my view on the skins. I've been able to contain myself up until the 10 hour homework binge I call Tuesday. I shouldn't have lashed out as such, but I'm all for playful kidding and I get it a lot. That's fine. It totally seperate when someone (who rarely has anything constructive to actually add) comes in and makes comments which are personal and have no bearing on the board - I'll only tolerate so much of it without responding. Either way - this is the last I'll say on the topic.

i am a new comer and i can't speak for all of us but i respect your opinions and if you feel offended you can tell me i just think u like smoot a little too much but i read all of your threads that i see which i don't do for everyone

[BigSKINBauer]

now lets all sing cum by ya and think about how all of our troubles will go away when we are winning. We are all just frustrated, thats it frustrated b/c we haven't been to the playoffs since 99' so lets join hands and pray

[DirtBagZ]

Let's keep something in mind. Last year we had a solidly ranked defense and this is with an offence that was well in a word putrid, especially when Brunnell was taking the snaps behind center. I think the offence should improve dramatically this year, especially the o-line. If we get a serious old-school Burgund-n-Gold running game going...look out NFC.