Redskins and McNabb Agree to Contract Extension

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by redsk1

DM is a pretty damn good qb. He's no Manning or Brady, but he's pretty good. We could do alot worse.

Maybe if he had an oline that was worth a sh**, I'd listen to the criticism. He's made the best this year out of a terrible oline.

Technically, the OL only played bad in the Detroit game (Green Bay might be the other exception). The other games they've held up quite well in the pass-pro considering who they've played. It was McNabb that was constantly throwing dirt balls and over throwing Galloway. To pin this all on the OL is laughable at best. Beyond the Houston game, he's not shown very much in terms of good QB play. Even in that game, the second half he was off.

[SirClintonPortis]

Also, we're due for more years of suck until the general fan populace is sufficiently humbled and realizes that we need another year of purging so we can have a glorious future. Peyton Manning is the greatest thing ever to happen to Indy, but it took them having one year where they were the bottow-dwellers of the league to get him.

[mooby]

It's very easy to second guess this decision, because it is a gamble. He won't perform like an 80 million dollar qb if we don't give him a good offensive line in front of him, and the interior of our line right now is pretty bad.

This could be a great thing for us, make no mistake, but we do have to acknowledge the risk we're taking here. We are locking him up for multiple years which is a good thing imo, but since he hasn't proven himself yet in our system we don't know whether this will work out.

And make no mistake, if he continues to perform badly this will only put more negative attention on the Redskins. This will answer the doubts about him staying here long term but more important questions remain.

[CRedskinsRule]

Hey, at least he knows he's loved

[luvthemskins1975]

Come on redskins fans! Got damn! We cry to get a good QB and now we got one and all we do is cry cry cry cry! I would give this type of money to a guy who is proven and not some rookie QB! Its only 8 million per yr. Let's get behind our team and organiztion and have faith! HTTR!!!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by luvthemskins1975

Come on redskins fans! Got damn! We cry to get a good QB and now we got one and all we do is cry cry cry cry! I would give this type of money to a guy who is proven and not some rookie QB! Its only 8 million per yr. Let's get behind our team and organiztion and have faith! HTTR!!!

Apparently, the Redskins have been mediocre enough for the past decade that slightly above average is now worth paying elite money for. There's a whole host of QBs I'd take over McNabb(not Jason Campbell, btw).

And faith alone ain't going to win football games. In our glory years, we also had the tangible aspect down. Those teams had talent to go along with the coaching, etc. The current regieme has stymied us with a win now gamble in which they have only 3 years to reasonably expect their gamble to succeed.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Apparently, the Redskins have been mediocre enough for the past decade that slightly above average is now worth paying elite money for. There's a whole host of QBs I'd take over McNabb(not Jason Campbell, btw).

And faith alone ain't going to win football games. In our glory years, we also had the tangible aspect down. Those teams had talent to go along with the coaching, etc. The current regieme has stymied us with a win now gamble in which they have only 3 years to reasonably expect their gamble to succeed.

That host of qb's you mentioned arent currently available, and we didn't give up 2 high draft picks for them. Fairly certain that the host your mentioning might have a combined number of pro bowls that equal McNabb. Now we have time to draft someone to learn the system behind Donovan. While we can also focus on rebuilding the team Shanahan style.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

That host of qb's you mentioned arent currently available, and we didn't give up 2 high draft picks for them. Fairly certain that the host your mentioning might have a combined number of pro bowls that equal McNabb. Now we have time to draft someone to learn the system behind Donovan. While we can also focus on rebuilding the team Shanahan style.

Actually, Bradford was reachable. Had Vinny NOT bring in Mr. Bingo, we had a shot.

(See the trade of Ralph Backstrom to some defunct Oakland team in order to get Guy Lafleur as an example of this course of action being applied)

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

That host of qb's you mentioned arent currently available, and we didn't give up 2 high draft picks for them. Fairly certain that the host your mentioning might have a combined number of pro bowls that equal McNabb. Now we have time to draft someone to learn the system behind Donovan. While we can also focus on rebuilding the team Shanahan style.

Giving up possibly two young guys who could have established stability at a position for over half a decade(i.e Landry and Nate Allen at safety) for someone who would be lucky to last that long is not a very sound strategy. Also, it removes the ability to sacrifice a season to target the next big QB that will be coming in the near future.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Giving up possibly two young guys who could have established stability at a position for over half a decade(i.e Landry and Nate Allen at safety) for someone who would be lucky to last that long is not a very sound strategy. Also, it removes the ability to sacrifice a season to target the next big QB that will be coming in the near future.

A franchise quarterback is worth any two starting defensive players.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by luvthemskins1975

Come on redskins fans! Got damn! We cry to get a good QB and now we got one and all we do is cry cry cry cry! I would give this type of money to a guy who is proven and not some rookie QB! Its only 8 million per yr. Let's get behind our team and organiztion and have faith! HTTR!!!

Only 8 mil per year? :confused: I'd love to know where that math came from. Let's do some simple math here.

78/5 = 15.6 mil per year. For the purpose of this post lets' assume the 40 mil guaranteed is going to come in the form of roster bonuses, signing bonus, etc. and divide that by 5 too. So 40 divided by 5 is 8. Add that 8 to the 15.6 and the rough sum is 23.6 mil per year.

Now we all know he's not going to see all that money, I'm assuming he'll retire at some point in this contract or take a backseat to a young up and comer (hopefully) and we'll restructure it or something, but my final sum of 23.6 mil per year is nowhere near close to the 8 mil per year you are suggesting.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Only 8 mil per year? :confused: I'd love to know where that math came from. Let's do some simple math here.

78/5 = 15.6 mil per year. For the purpose of this post lets' assume the 40 mil guaranteed is going to come in the form of roster bonuses, signing bonus, etc. and divide that by 5 too. So 40 divided by 5 is 8. Add that 8 to the 15.6 and the rough sum is 23.6 mil per year.

Now we all know he's not going to see all that money, I'm assuming he'll retire at some point in this contract or take a backseat to a young up and comer (hopefully) and we'll restructure it or something, but my final sum of 23.6 mil per year is nowhere near close to the 8 mil per year you are suggesting.

You can't add the 8 mill to the 15.6 mill.

78Mill over 5 years = 15.6 mill per year.

40 mill of the 78 is guaranteed so of the 15.6 mill per year 8 of that is guaranteed.

BUT

Chances are the bulk of the 40 is in the first few years, so probably its more weighted like 25 per year the first two years and 12.66mil the last 3 years.

Here is a link to a good article (not on the salary but the benching/extension connection)
The Bench, The Bank and in everything Between! « DC Sports Radio

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You can't add the 8 mill to the 15.6 mill.

78Mill over 5 years = 15.6 mill per year.

40 mill of the 78 is guaranteed so of the 15.6 mill per year 8 of that is guaranteed.

BUT

Chances are the bulk of the 40 is in the first few years, so probably its more weighted like 25 per year the first two years and 12.66mil the last 3 years.

Here is a link to a good article (not on the salary but the benching/extension connection)
The Bench, The Bank and in everything Between! « DC Sports Radio

GC on it only being 15.6 mil per year, i was about to say I did that wrong because the 8 mil bonus would be part of the 15.6 mil per year total cost.

I think the contract is probably gonna be front loaded because they don't know how many years McNabb is going to give us as a starting quarterback. So even though it averages 15.6 mil per year, it's probably gonna be a lot higher than that in the first 1-3 years of the deal, then a lot lower than that in the final 2 years so we can release him or if he retires and we don't want a huge cap hit.

[takethecake]

I like the move. Not worrying too much about the money, it's nice that we have essentially guaranteed that McNabb is going to retire as a skin. I wouldn't really want many other QBs in the league to tutor whoever we draft to be our next young QB.

I don't understand how people can be upset about this. If you don't resign him, you waste two draft picks and are stuck with either sexy rex or a rookie. How is that better? Signing him for five years isn't guaranteeing that he'll start until his contract is up.

Besides, tonight he's going to have a great game. McNabb always plays well after a benching or a bye, and this week he has both. I expect big things tonight, and not because of the payday.

[SolidSnake84]

hold up....i'm hearing some people say 40 million for 5 years....and then some people say 80 million....which is it??